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SoND
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PostPosted: 19:01 - 15 Apr 2006    Post subject: Fitting different wheels Reply with quote

I've got a pair of TZR125 wheels and I've started to fit them to my GS125.

They dont seem too far off but I'm just trying to sort out the spacers at the minute on the back wheel.

I've attached pictures of the original sprocket and the new wheel.

On the original one there is a rubber thing that sits on top of the bearing and then the spacer sits inside of it and I'm wondering if there is something missing from the new wheel?
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PostPosted: 00:56 - 16 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are trying to fit Yamaha parts to a Suzuki bike??? I doubt they will fit without new spacers and you will need them fabricating specially otherwise the sprocket wont line up. Is the axle bolt the ame on both bikes and the brakes?....................Good luck, I think you will need it.
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 16 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're not going to fit without new spacers, I can get them made.

They're both drum brakes and there's not too much difference from where the cable goes so that's not too bad.

I've drawn a spacer here that will sit on top of the bearing and come out as long as I need it to.

Can anyone tell me if it looks ok or not?
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PostPosted: 23:55 - 18 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I need to make the studs longer to fit a spacer beneath the sprocket.

Anyone got any ideas on to how make the studs longer or will it be a case of cutting them off and welding on new ones?

The sprocket will be sitting past the bit of the wheel that goes through it if I put this spacer in. Will I need to sort something out for this aswell?
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PostPosted: 01:08 - 19 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The studs will be screwed in, unscrew them and you will be able to fit longer ones if you want. Either put two nuts on the stud and unscrew it using the bottom one or buy a stud extractor tool.

This could be problematic though, the sprocket is usually held square on the carrier by having a tight fit over a 'lip' on the casting. Putting a spacer in under it would remove this and make it very difficult to get the sprocket exactly square with the wheel.

If it is just a small amount, you might be better having a slightly bigger spacer made to sit on the inside of the sprocket carrier. You should get away with this providing it is only a small amount.
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 19 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this the lip (circled in photo) the sprocket sits on that you were talking about?

Should I get spacers made the same shape as that so the sprocket will sit on better? I need to bring the sprocket out 8mm.


Does the bit that the bearing is sitting in help hold it square?

There is a groove cut around it for a circlip to sit infront of the sprocket and when the sprocket is moved out the circlip wont be there.
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 19 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

SoND wrote:
Is this the lip (circled in photo) the sprocket sits on that you were talking about?

Should I get spacers made the same shape as that so the sprocket will sit on better? I need to bring the sprocket out 8mm.


That's what I was talking about but is different to the picture I had in my head. You should be OK with spacers in there. But 8mm is a pretty fat spacer to be putting under your sprocket.

Almost like having a second sprocket under it...

Idea! Idea How thick is a standard sprocket? Could the outside diameter of an old one be ground/cut down on a lathe to form your spacer? It would be exactly the right shape to fit. Even if it was too thick, it could easily be milled down a few mm.

Like in the picture, cut along the red lines then face it off on a milling machine.

Don't know if this is mechanically sound, but it looks like a good idea fron where I'm sitting. You would need to put the new sprocket on "backwards" so the two flat faces were in contact with one another.
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had a look at the studs and they look like they aren't screwed in.

Tried putting on 2 nuts to try and screw it out but I've got a funny feeling the studs are imperial. It might have to wait until I get back to work and get the welder out.

Have got someone to try and find me a new sprocket so I can get to cutting that one up. Do the wheel and the chain need to be bang on center or will 1 or 2mm not matter?


Can't wait until I get the new forks, this is going to be hassle Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:30 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

SoND wrote:
Had a look at the studs and they look like they aren't screwed in.


Well, the wheel is alloy and the studs are steel. I can't think of any other way they could be fitted in there securely enough. They may well however be "fucking tight" (that is an engineering term used to describe a loosening torque which is greater than the failure point of the fastner concerned). Heat is your friend.

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Tried putting on 2 nuts to try and screw it out but I've got a funny feeling the studs are imperial. It might have to wait until I get back to work and get the welder out.


I can't see it being imperial. There is a possability that they may have used a fine-pitch thread.

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this is going to be hassle

I concurr. I recently fitted wheels to my bike which came off another bike of the same make but a different model and it was a total ball-ache.
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PostPosted: 01:54 - 22 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry why are you doing this?

Seems an awfull lot of effort to go through for little effect. If they're wheels off a TZR125rr then they're worth alot to MZ racers. They don't look like they are though.

Most people go with different wheels to improve tyre choice.

Either way Stinkwheel's the man to ask/

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PostPosted: 02:02 - 22 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am no expert. I landed up taking the wheel and ther bike to a mate who is handy with a lathe and getting him to set it up in the end. He could make the spacers there and then rather than me trying to measure then draw them.

With hindsight, it would have been far simpler to have a new rim built onto the hub as they were wire wheels.

Incidentally, I had a good reason for changing the wheels. I had a 21" wheel and wanted a 17" so I could fit better tyres like Gaz said.
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PostPosted: 05:18 - 22 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gazdaman wrote:
Sorry why are you doing this?

Seems an awfull lot of effort to go through for little effect. If they're wheels off a TZR125rr then they're worth alot to MZ racers. They don't look like they are though.


Because I want to Thumbs Up

They've got bigger tyres and they look better.

I know it's just a 125 but I'm not going to be selling it anyway. I'm not going to be able to afford a proper bike for a while so this will keep me busy in the meantime.

I've got loads of things in my head to do it it, if it gets finished properly it should look sort of half decent Shifty
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PostPosted: 15:23 - 22 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

just a quick note, nothing to do with the wheels but the sprocket seems like its in desperate need of being replaced, its worn down way too much
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 22 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sprocket is wrecked, shoes are done and the bearings have seen better days aswell, that's why I got them for 99p each Very Happy





Postage was £20 each, still not too bad.
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