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PostPosted: 20:32 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: BBC's blatant lies about BNP Reply with quote

If any of you watched north west tonight this evening, you may have caught an article on a BNP candidate, who was derided for standing in a ward near where anthony walker was murdered.

This was deemed "offensive", and "disgusting" by conservative and Labour MPs. The true disgust is that these two MPs are jumping on a bandwagon, which exists due to a young mans death, to slag off the BNP. Politicians once again display their compassion and sense of decency...

But how is it remotely offensive that a political party which voices its opinions on immigration, and the problems caused by lack of control from the government, has a candidate standing in that ward? Many people regard the BNP as a racist party, which might i add is comical, even if it is understandable considering the media slanging, and inaccurate reporting of events of some past members.

The bits about the article which really pissed me off were the claims of Anthony Walker's family. They claim that "statistics show that when the BNP field a candidate in an election, racial attacks in the area increase". I would like to see these figures, as i'm sure Mr and Mrs walker have produced them from a bodily orriface primarily used for the act of defacation.

Not only that, but further censorship and discrimination against the BNP has come from the candidates local newspapers. The liverpool echo flat refuse to print any letters submitted by the BNP, which i feel is an unfair and biased act intended solely to allow discrimination and aid derision of the party. It would be interesting to see how the Liverpool Echo is financed, and which (if any) political parties are associated with the paper. Free speech is supposed to give anyone a free hearing.

How on earth can a political party be honestly elected if they are not allowed their fair say. I'm not interested if you think the BNP are racist or whatever, but the basic fact is that a political party is being refused it's right of speech, and being lied about in the national press.

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PostPosted: 20:38 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 21:00 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do-gooders don't seem to grasp is that vile and retarded as the BNP are, they have cleverly latched onto a few very valid points. The more that Liberal weenies try and stifle/gag them, the more credibility it gives the little Nazis.

Let the BNP say what they like so that people can make an informed decision.

As long as the other parties tip-toe around Immigration and Race in this country, extremists parties will receive huge amounts of interest and support.
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

What you have to remember though, while the BNP have got media savvy in recent years, their foundations are racist, with many very racist members.

Whilst now they can appear to be a "no nonsense, pro-British" party, there is a very dark undercurrant of Nazi ideals and racism within the party.
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I quite agree.
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Re: BBC's blatant lies about BNP Reply with quote

Jack_Cheese wrote:
. It would be interesting to see how the Liverpool Echo is financed, and which (if any) political parties are associated with the paper. Free speech is supposed to give anyone a free hearing.

Were you under some illusion that the media was independant Confused.
Did you think the people that have invested massive amounts of money in such companies would be happy to see them printing stuff they may consider offensive?

I believe the Sun at one point claimed that it was infact them that had won an election. Free speech does not exist and most definitely does not exist in comercial publications.
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PostPosted: 23:07 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

not knowing to much about the background of the bnp I tried looking it up and this was top of the pile.

https://www.dailysnack.co.uk/celebrity_news_article_pa.html?sku=114606198020985666-E0

Getting that dickhead to front and sort of campaign against anybody is surely only gonna have the opposite effect.
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PostPosted: 23:32 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The BNP are not fundamentally racist in the policies etc, but i do understand concerns of them being the next nazi regime. There is an undercurrent of racism though, held by some members. If people looked past this racism, and more of those who support the policies whilst still holding their ground on immigration etc, the party would have soaring numbers of votes.

mister james wrote:
As long as the other parties tip-toe around Immigration and Race in this country, extremists parties will receive huge amounts of interest and support.


I can't help but feel that's a positive effect. Surely the other parties would introduce more hard-lined rules on immigration in seeing the growth of the BNP, which is all but nullified from media publications. If the other parties start promising to to be more patriotic, and less fanny around nanny state, i'm sure a huge reduction in apathy would follow. The hippies who are never pleased will always bicker and argue though.

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PostPosted: 23:35 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jack_Cheese wrote:
The BNP are not fundamentally racist in the policies etc, but i do understand concerns of them being the next nazi regime. There is an undercurrent of racism though, held by some members. If people looked past this racism, and more of those who support the policies whilst still holding their ground on immigration etc, the party would have soaring numbers of votes.


They are a bunch of Nazis hiding behind a media friendly facade. Maybe that is clearer.
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PostPosted: 23:44 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jack_Cheese wrote:
The BNP are not fundamentally racist in the policies etc, but i do understand concerns of them being the next nazi regime. There is an undercurrent of racism though, held by some members. If people looked past this racism, and more of those who support the policies whilst still holding their ground on immigration etc, the party would have soaring numbers of votes.



I'm afraid I think that's back to front.

It's more a case of them being fundamentally racist, with an undercurrent of common sense.
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:
Jack_Cheese wrote:
The BNP are not fundamentally racist in the policies etc, but i do understand concerns of them being the next nazi regime. There is an undercurrent of racism though, held by some members. If people looked past this racism, and more of those who support the policies whilst still holding their ground on immigration etc, the party would have soaring numbers of votes.



I'm afraid I think that's back to front.

It's more a case of them being fundamentally racist, with an undercurrent of common sense.


Let me guess, that's influenced by what you read, or what you saw on TV. I suggest you read the post at the top of this page, and learn that the evidence on which you based the above statement was probably twisted and manipulated, untill it was a very detatched version of the truth.

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PostPosted: 00:01 - 27 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jack_Cheese wrote:

Let me guess, that's influenced by what you read, or what you saw on TV.

Where do you get your information from?
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PostPosted: 00:09 - 27 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Jack_Cheese wrote:

Let me guess, that's influenced by what you read, or what you saw on TV.

Where do you get your information from?


I know members, and to be honest, i'm always very skeptical of what they say, and as with all political parties, i don't believe 99% of it. If i did, then i'd be no more well informed than if i believed everything i read and saw. I've glanced through a few policies too, allbeit a while back.

While i don't write them off as nazis, Nick Griffin's comment of "UKIP are so racist it makes my hair curl." was laced with so much irony (given the reputation of the BNP, and the racism of some members), i nearly coughed my spleen up with laughter.

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PostPosted: 00:51 - 27 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, because Nick Griffin is smarter than the average mong, and is capable of understanding irony, we should all vote BNP? Give us a bit of the credit you happily extend yourself, and assume that we are all capable of assessing media bias and forming our own opinions.

I consider myself pretty right of centre - most people tend to find my views on Immigration and Race to be pretty extreme, yet I find the BNP to be disgusting. Even worse, I find their policies - as voiced by them to be racist, unpleasant, unworkable, and downright thick.

The last time I read their website I was on the verge of pouring bleach into my eye sockets to erase the taint of the stupidity and ignorance pouring out of my monitor.

I can just about understand people indulging in a bit of tactical voting to put the willies up the Big 3, but genuinely indulging a loose alliance of racists and morons is hardly the act of a patriotic and politically savvy Briton.
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PostPosted: 03:13 - 27 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

other parties have started to take a leaf out of the bnp book to some extent as they know its a vote winner to be tough on immigration, even if privately they think we need immigrants as we have an ageing population with lots of pensioners and not many young people joining the labour market

our democracy is tightly controlled and our appointed representatives in parliament are too well controlled to be able to represent their own views let alone ours.

Those who challenge the way things are do not have freedom of speech.

Any muslims who preach defiance against america and their naughty ways can be suspected of being terrorists and any little englanders who want a return to white faces everywhere arent allowed to broadcast their views either.

Maybe this is a good thing as it stops the extremists within their ranks from becoming more powerful and troublesome, or maybe it makes frustrated people turn to the extremists if their views arent addressed and respected.

Id say this is more current affairs than random banter tho.
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 27 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taken from the BNP website:
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Within Five Years of us taking power we will DEPORT the following from Britain;

A) We will deport all 1 million illegal immigrants hiding in Britain.

B) We will deport the estimated 500,000 -1 million bogus asylum seekers and those hiding in the country who should have been removed after failing to claim asylum and we will deport all those who have been given asylum but who are criminals and national security risks.

C) We will prevent another 2 million asylum seekers and economic migrants from entering the country (as estimated by the Government) within those five years of us taking power.

D) We will deport the 1million plus of religious extremists, supporters of terrorism, those sponsors of terrorism, preachers of terrorism, we will revoke the citizenship status of all those naturalised immigrants convicted of criminal offences in the past in this country and who have also been involved in criminality in their home countries before they arrived here and were granted citizenship status, we will revoke the citizenship status of all economic migrants whose initial reason for entering the country has ended, we will deport all undesirable aliens involved with extremism and criminality and also all those who work against the interests of the British State.

That is our promise to the British people, that within FIVE YEARS of the election of a BNP government we will deport at least FIVE MILLION illegal immigrants and other undesirable aliens from Britain.

Given that the stated aim of the BNP is to represent a specific group.
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The BNP is an ethno-specific political party that represents the interests of specific ethnic and cultural groups that comprise sections of the indigenous White community of Great Britain.

Consequently anyone who is not a member of the 'white indigenous community' would be, in the eyes of the BNP 'those who work against the interests of the British State' - i.e. acting against the indigenous white community. If this is not racism then I'm a monkey's Uncle and the more the Trades Unions, Labour, Tory & LibDems do to stop the spread of their message then the better.
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 27 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

then again we have facists in government anyway remember the Walterwolfgang event.

It strangely feels a little bit like the 1930s where certain groups are blamed for all of societys ills , the thing is though if all of these groups were removed then where would the externalisation go to?
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 27 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
then again we have facists in government anyway remember the Walterwolfgang event.

It strangely feels a little bit like the 1930s where certain groups are blamed for all of societys ills , the thing is though if all of these groups were removed then where would the externalisation go to?


Good point - you only have to look at another part of the world for your answer - if the Palestinians didn't have a common enemy in Israel then they'd be fighting themselves along tribal/family lines. In Great Britain it would be the English vs. Scots vs. Welsh vs. Irish.
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 27 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

headlamp wrote:
Taken from the BNP website:
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Within Five Years of us taking power we will DEPORT the following from Britain;

A) We will deport all 1 million illegal immigrants hiding in Britain.

B) We will deport the estimated 500,000 -1 million bogus asylum seekers and those hiding in the country who should have been removed after failing to claim asylum and we will deport all those who have been given asylum but who are criminals and national security risks.

C) We will prevent another 2 million asylum seekers and economic migrants from entering the country (as estimated by the Government) within those five years of us taking power.

D) We will deport the 1million plus of religious extremists, supporters of terrorism, those sponsors of terrorism, preachers of terrorism, we will revoke the citizenship status of all those naturalised immigrants convicted of criminal offences in the past in this country and who have also been involved in criminality in their home countries before they arrived here and were granted citizenship status, we will revoke the citizenship status of all economic migrants whose initial reason for entering the country has ended, we will deport all undesirable aliens involved with extremism and criminality and also all those who work against the interests of the British State.

That is our promise to the British people, that within FIVE YEARS of the election of a BNP government we will deport at least FIVE MILLION illegal immigrants and other undesirable aliens from Britain.

Given that the stated aim of the BNP is to represent a specific group.
From the BNP website:
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The BNP is an ethno-specific political party that represents the interests of specific ethnic and cultural groups that comprise sections of the indigenous White community of Great Britain.

Consequently anyone who is not a member of the 'white indigenous community' would be, in the eyes of the BNP 'those who work against the interests of the British State' - i.e. acting against the indigenous white community. If this is not racism then I'm a monkey's Uncle and the more the Trades Unions, Labour, Tory & LibDems do to stop the spread of their message then the better.


I wish the main political parties would take on A, B and D. Illegal immigrants and bogus asylum seekers are just that - illegal and bogus. There is no place for them here and (I believe in common with with most people, including genuine immigrants) I do not want to pay for their long term support.

Of course, I believe that genuine asylum seekers should be granted asylum and skilled economic migrants should also be encouraged though entry would have to be regulated - perhaps in a similar way to Australia.
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 27 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Within Five Years of us taking power we will DEPORT the following from Britain;

A) We will deport all 1 million illegal immigrants hiding in Britain.

B) We will deport the estimated 500,000 -1 million bogus asylum seekers and those hiding in the country who should have been removed after failing to claim asylum and we will deport all those who have been given asylum but who are criminals and national security risks.
D) We will deport the 1million plus of religious extremists, supporters of terrorism, those sponsors of terrorism, preachers of terrorism, we will revoke the citizenship status of all those naturalised immigrants convicted of criminal offences in the past in this country and who have also been involved in criminality in their home countries before they arrived here and were granted citizenship status, "

Not much wrong with those ideas really and maybe other partys should look at that and maybe get some idea of what is happening to this country.
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 27 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

daz|n00by wrote:
"Within Five Years of us taking power we will DEPORT the following from Britain;

A) We will deport all 1 million illegal immigrants hiding in Britain.

B) We will deport the estimated 500,000 -1 million bogus asylum seekers and those hiding in the country who should have been removed after failing to claim asylum and we will deport all those who have been given asylum but who are criminals and national security risks.
D) We will deport the 1million plus of religious extremists, supporters of terrorism, those sponsors of terrorism, preachers of terrorism, we will revoke the citizenship status of all those naturalised immigrants convicted of criminal offences in the past in this country and who have also been involved in criminality in their home countries before they arrived here and were granted citizenship status, "

Not much wrong with those ideas really and maybe other partys should look at that and maybe get some idea of what is happening to this country.


Generally I would also agree, and it is staggering and scandalous that the Home Office did not deport those foreign nationals who had committed criminal acts here in the UK. The issue though is that these policies come from a party who represents a particular 'ethnic' group. Their definitions in these statements are ambigious. What is a "naturalised immigrant", what if the BNP declare Islam 'an extreme' group and consequently all followers of Islam are terrorist sympathisers....that is Racism. Perhaps the sympathisers of the BNP here can clarify?
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 27 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The BNP represent the extreme of the scale that's pulling at the other end that's held sway for far too fucking long in this country. All the politicians give a fuck about is artificially boosting the economy by letting in slave labour, regardless of it's criminal persuasions, and so long as they don't live anywhere near them. It's all about the insulated rich getting richer and fuck the 95% of the population that has to suffer the downside.


so you saying we should have Japanese like immigration policies? , ie you can work here all your life but unless you get married to a citizen here you ain't callin' yourself Japanese. And have no real right to stay

And if you happen to be Korean must carry around an alien identity card and take on a Japanese name?
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 27 Apr 2006    Post subject: . Reply with quote

I have a problem with people who support a parliamentary democracy, and then cry fowl, as soon as a political party whose extreme views they don't agree with hoves into view.

Rather than make a lot noise about the BNP, those slackers should get of their arses and vote for someone else, or leaflet, or campaign, or SHUT UP.

It seems stupid to me, to bang on about democracy, and then whinge as soon as someone comes along to stand for election that you don't like.

The BNP seem to mostly stand in locacl elections, so on a local level, it's not that hard to do something about it if you don't agree.

Getting off your fat arse, and waddling down to the polling station, would seem to be the easiest option....
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thx1138 wrote:

Getting off your fat arse, and waddling down to the polling station, would seem to be the easiest option....


there was a quote from somebody years ago

"the problem with democracy is that every tom dick and harry has a vote"


Which is all well and fine if its like Switzerland where there is a highly educated population and referenda occur regularly, but when events occur like Blair has a baby (he tried this trick again recently) and his poll rating went through the roof . its not encouraging is it?.


anyway the value of votes is real low , cus unless you are in a marginal area little will change.
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 27 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tanks are so impersonal, and if you are worried about the logistics of exterminating ALL the stupid people in this country, may I suggest we skip a stage and move straight to the SP-Artillery pieces?

A battery of AS90s should make a dent in the epidemic of cretins we are plagued with as a nation.
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