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lifesuxs
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 12 May 2006    Post subject: Getting more out of zxr400. Reply with quote

I just got myself a zxr400 (2001 model). Its restricted at the moment but it wont be for long and when it is I'm gona be lookin to improve it some what, so if you got any tips or bits of kit for sale, evan if you just know the best bits to get.
Let us know,

Cheers peps.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 12 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derestrict it before you start worrying about making it quicker.

Basic things would be race can, air filter and setting it up on the dyno.
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 12 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

First thing to do is fit an aftermarket exhaust system, or can at least.

To be honest its not really worth spending too much on the engine as you wont really see any major gains.

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PostPosted: 13:42 - 12 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rear seat cowl makes alot of diffrence i rekon.
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 12 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't bother spending loads on it. It's just a 400 and to use my bike as an example, a stock SV which isn't even a sports bike can out accelerate a modded 400 and costs less to! Knew that would shock you as who wants to compare their bikes performance to an SV of all bikes Shocked

If you want more performance it's cheaper to get a bike that already has it as stock. Considering you can pick up a 2000 J1 model zx6r for the nice side of £2500 (ask dodsi as he got his for £2200!), and a G model for even lesss, it makes sense to do that then blow the same amount of money to get a few extra horses from something that just doesn't have the torque to keep up with other bigger bikes as soon as overtaking lots of cars comes into the equation Wink
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 12 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much would a zxr400 set you back? I know that over 2000 the price is quite high.
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 12 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you want more performance it's cheaper to get a bike that already has it as stock.
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Agreed, depending on how long you plan on keeping it for, you may as well invest the money towards the next bike.

By the time you get around to being able to unrestrict it you will be ready for the step up. It's an easy trap to fall into but you don't often get money back once it's spent.

Do your time then go nuts.

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PostPosted: 14:02 - 12 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

extreme3d wrote:
Don't bother spending loads on it. It's just a 400 and to use my bike as an example, a stock SV which isn't even a sports bike can out accelerate a modded 400 and costs less to! Knew that would shock you as who wants to compare their bikes performance to an SV of all bikes Shocked

If you want more performance it's cheaper to get a bike that already has it as stock. Considering you can pick up a 2000 J1 model zx6r for the nice side of £2500 (ask dodsi as he got his for £2200!), and a G model for even lesss, it makes sense to do that then blow the same amount of money to get a few extra horses from something that just doesn't have the torque to keep up with other bigger bikes as soon as overtaking lots of cars comes into the equation Wink



The thing is I cant afford the insurance on a 600. I got no no claims bonuse and im only 19. I'm looking to buy a brand new zx6r in a couple of yrs.
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 12 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

DEN MONKEY wrote:
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If you want more performance it's cheaper to get a bike that already has it as stock.
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Agreed, depending on how long you plan on keeping it for, you may as well invest the money towards the next bike.

By the time you get around to being able to unrestrict it you will be ready for the step up. It's an easy trap to fall into but you don't often get money back once it's spent.

Do your time then go nuts.

Nice by the way Thumbs Up


Cheers m8, you know how it is though, you finish with your 125 and then all you wana do is break the sound barrier.

I think I will wait tho, erm do you know what happens if you get caught having a drestricted bike b4 its legal??
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 12 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give the insurance companies a ring, don't go by online quotes. Typically devide an online quote by 3 to get a realistic figure. You could be surprised

Either way, STICK with the 400 for now. It will teach you a lot about how to get the most from what power you have and that's experience that you shouldn't ignore lightly. If it means going slower for a year then fine. (learn to out-corner them instead Wink )
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 12 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very unlikely you'll get caught on the derestriction to be fair. Certainly not roadside. I wouldn't worry too much about speed m8, once you derestrict it you'll probably be happy with the performance for a while. Dont take the cornering/power compromise of 400s for granted. They are massively fun bikes to ride next to bigger bikes which sometimes you dont realise 'til later. If I were you I would wait 'til the restrictors came out and then see how I felt about the bike. If you're still craving power then its 'busa time Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 12 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you did get caught riding a derestricted bike then i would think you would get done for driving without a liscence seeing as thats what youre doing Laughing

dont worry about the 400's straight line power, have fun in the corners and they can teach you a hell of a lot!
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 12 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a ZXR400 myself. I'd rather keep it standard. I reckon a standard bike is worth more than a modified ZXR for insurance sensitive buyers and newbies. I didn't even look at anything modified when I was buying.
I believe they sound quite crazy with a race can if that takes your fancy.
There's plenty of power to play with and when i need more power and can confidently tell myself I've rung everything out of the 400, then I'll go up to a 600. They're all about the corners. Get yours derestricted first! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 12 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Full race system, bit of dyno work. Then sell the race system seperately when you sell the bike.

Everyone seems hell bent that people have to keep buying larger capacity bikes to keep the enjoyment of riding a bike. Little strange realy.

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PostPosted: 15:07 - 12 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spend the money on trackdays and learning how to ride it faster, will make far more of a difference than squeezing an extra 0.0003bhp out with various mods.
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PostPosted: 16:04 - 12 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

extreme3d wrote:
Don't bother spending loads on it. It's just a 400 and to use my bike as an example, a stock SV which isn't even a sports bike can out accelerate a modded 400 and costs less to! Knew that would shock you as who wants to compare their bikes performance to an SV of all bikes Shocked

If you want more performance it's cheaper to get a bike that already has it as stock. Considering you can pick up a 2000 J1 model zx6r for the nice side of £2500 (ask dodsi as he got his for £2200!), and a G model for even lesss, it makes sense to do that then blow the same amount of money to get a few extra horses from something that just doesn't have the torque to keep up with other bigger bikes as soon as overtaking lots of cars comes into the equation Wink


i disagree with you, there is no way a sv will out do a zxr400... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 12 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont Sv' 600's have 60 odd bhp too? Or is that the curvy... anyway SV's suck when the revs climb Mr. Green *flame suit*
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 12 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

riichy wrote:

i disagree with you, there is no way a sv will out do a zxr400... Rolling Eyes


Stock engined (suspension tweaked) SV650s and everything tweaked 400s raced together last year in the clubman 400-650 races. They're very well matched.
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 12 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ZXR wins hands down when it comes to looks. I'm bet it feels a lot quicker than the SV too!

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PostPosted: 16:46 - 12 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing quite like that howling scream of a zxr being ragged mercilessly Wink I like the power delivery too, its such a rush as it comes alive!
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 13 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

white boots make you 20mph faster Razz
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 13 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

save the money for head gaskets and cam chains. The kwak cam chain problem still doesn't seem to be gone, i was talkling to a guy outside mmc yesterday and his barely run in 9 month old zxr600 needed the tensioner replacing.

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PostPosted: 22:09 - 13 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

extreme3d wrote:
Don't bother spending loads on it. It's just a 400 and to use my bike as an example, a stock SV which isn't even a sports bike can out accelerate a modded 400 and costs less to! Knew that would shock you as who wants to compare their bikes performance to an SV of all bikes Shocked



I don't think so buddy, a stock SV tends to make around 62 - 64 bhp at the back wheel, it's not hard to tune a ZXR400 to the high 70s. Most 400 race bikes put out around 76 - 78, and the ZXR is the weapon of choice for most.
As Bendy says, put a minitwin and a 400 race bike together and there's little to chose between them on track, the 400 definately won't be left behind.
Also agree with Bendy about training and track time being worth a lot more than engine tuning, and it's cheaper too, and you still have the benefit once you've sold the bike!
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 13 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think when it's buying ZXR's it's all about the looks. I don't care how many nth performance parts have been fitted to the bike, i just think that each ZXR has it's own character. Nearly every other ZXR 4 has a different/non standard paintjob.

There's no point wasting money on your bike unless you want to keep it for long, unfortunately that weren't the case with Jordan's heavily modified example which i say grew on me.

I'd say spend your money on getting your suspension fettled and suited to your style of riding and weight etc as this will reap greater benifits than buying 400 quids worth of tart and tat. These bikes are meant to be thrown around corners and glue to the road, hence utilise its primary assests, set it up properly and you'd notice a big difference. Getting the right tyres for your bike also helps as it's part of the same equation.

Even though i've only got a ZXR250, which matches the handling of the 400 but about 20% down on power, i still maintain that it's a great fun bike and if you treat it right, it'll give you the smiles per hour you want... until you want another bike that is.

I also agree, ZXR's look much better than any SV. Oh, forgot to mention, all ZXR's must have an obligatory numberboard, front and rear! Razz - spend 10 quid on cut vinyl if you want it to look lush
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