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 Posted: 02:41 - 18 May 2006 Post subject: Fitting New Clutch Plates + Springs Q! |
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Fitting some new EBC clutch plates and springs to my 2001 zx6r this weekend.
I've heard you have to soak the plates in oil over night, is this correct?
Also what oil do you use, new / used?
I have some new 4t engine oil, will this be ok to soak the plates in overnight?
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You dont need to soak them over night, or even for a few hours or minutes.
Just pour some new oil into a shallow tray, and coat each plate and slide onto the basket. Its just to get the plates lubed up for when you first start the engine with a new clutch in.
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cheers for clearing it up?
Now I just need a torque wrench before weekend, where from?  ____________________ 2004 ZX6R B1H |
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Top Price, now wheres machine mart  ____________________ 2004 ZX6R B1H |
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it doesnt have NM on it, and is closer to 25 delivered.
Plus if im torqing i want to know damn sure its a good wrench.
You can snap bolts on a good one before the click, let alone bargain ones. ____________________ China traffic/travel bike vid - When I make a sweeping statement, please add the word 'statistically' in to the sentence before you bitch...
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Torque wrenchg I fail to see what difference it can possibly make to your clutch if the bolt torques aren't exactly even. Just make sure they aren't going to come undone. The preload on the springs is set by the length of the 'tubes' the bolts screw down into. Altering how tight the bolt is torqued down will affect the length of these tubes not a jot.
Obviously, a torque wrench is handy if you want to make sure you are 'tight enough but not too tight' in terms of either bolts coming undone or shearing.
I stand ready to be corrected on this.
On another point, I thought you had to soak the plates for a while because the friction material is (usually) made of cork which needs to soak up a certain amount of oil.
Again, I stand ready to be corrected.
Putting my money where my mouth is. I'm fitting new plates and springs to my KLE tomorrow. The plates are already in soaking and I have no intention of using a torque wrench. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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So the totally dried out cork friction material that has been baked on in an oven can absorb some oil bofore I fit them. And because it says to "soak the plates in the manufacturers recommended transmission oil before fitting" on the box they came in.
| Quote: | i would have thought that you would need to use a torque wrench on the pressure plate screws, so that they are all even, so the pressure plate moves evenly on and off the clutch plates, thus evenly wearing the clutch, and making it smoother. |
As I recall from last time I assembled a clutch, the pressure plate is firmly bolted to the inner basket. Altering the torque of the bolts does not alter the degree of compression of the springs, that is fixed by the distance the pressure plate 'stands off' from the inner basket which is cast in metal. To alter the compression on the springs you would either need to put shims under the springs or use longer/stronger springs in the first place.
Of course, the clutch on the bike in question may be designed differently to the ones I've done?
Not trying to start an argument or anything, just querying the necessity of the guy going out and buying an expensive tool which he may not need just to do this job. I've had clutches in and out of a few different bikes and never used a torque wrench with no obvious ill effects (in fact, the one I'm replacing tomorrow has been stripped twice before by me. It needs new plates now because it has done 60k miles and they are totally worn out).
The bolts don't need to be all that tight. To me, 'Nipping them up' with a 1/4" drive socket set is perfectly sufficient. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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| stinkwheel wrote: | Torque wrenchg  I fail to see what difference it can possibly make to your clutch if the bolt torques aren't exactly even. Just make sure they aren't going to come undone. The preload on the springs is set by the length of the 'tubes' the bolts screw down into. Altering how tight the bolt is torqued down will affect the length of these tubes not a jot.
Obviously, a torque wrench is handy if you want to make sure you are 'tight enough but not too tight' in terms of either bolts coming undone or shearing.
I stand ready to be corrected on this.
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Sounds fair enough to me. Just tighten them to the end of their thread then nip them up lightly. I did that despite having a torque wrench to hand.
Not sure on the soaking thing. I just dipped but didn't soak and it was fine. But there's no harm in being over cautious. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 20 years, 141 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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