Is the clutch necessary for shifting up gears? (FZ6)

[LukeFlegg]

A debate I've got £2 riding on! -
Is it bad for vehicles (in this case my Yamaha FZ6) to shift up gears without using the clutch?
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[Marc_Buck]

If done correctly i think its ok to go UP. Search it mate been mentioned many times.

[matthab]

once past 2nd its possible if done correctly, it can wear your gearbox out quicker as a clutch is a part which is meant to be replaced, wear out and is cheaper to replace than a gearbox

The way ive been told is to rev up to say 8,000 let off the accelerator then change up and put the power back on. The time you change can vary to bike to bike.

Do we get a cut of the £2 ?
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[Gazdaman]

Clutchless shifting is fine, it causes barely any more gearbox wear than using the clutch if it is done well.

It is often much smoother, and it saves clutch wear too.

Shifting down it can also be done but takes a bit more precise timing.

Gaz

[Modo]

I apply a small amout of upward pressre on the gearshift, drop the revs a little and she changes gear like Sharon Stone changes legs,

All sexy like
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[Matt06]

[cc123]

Do it going up, but not going down the gears.

Really only clutch-less upshift if I'm mid bend or don't want to loosen my grip by going for the clutch.
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[thegubner]

personal choice like, but i use the clutch, that is why its there.

[Gazdaman]

[hmmmnz]

its fine, if done right, but its a pointless thing to do,
i dont recommend doing it, as others have said it saves no real time and could wear the gear box faster
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[MementoMori]

My NC30 feels like it's made for clutchless upshifts. Just smoothly slots in so I always do this at higher speeds when out of town. Never ever changed down without the clutch however.
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[LukeFlegg]

You're all beautiful, cheers. (Any more opinions- do keep them coming)

I'm still not sure whether I should come off the gas before shifting..

[McGee]

[Finglonga]

Do it all the time, I only use the clutch to start off and change from 1st to 2nd. Been doing it years with no problems.

You wont damage the gearbox if you do it correctly and also when you get the hang of it its smoother than using the clutch.
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[california_rookie]

I almost always ignore the clutch when upshifting. Also, clutchless downshifting is just as simple. Instead of rolling off the throttle slightly, you just roll on it a tad. As little as you possibly can.

It comes in quite handy when holding a lidded beverage on the way back to work. As an added bonus it confuses the fu*k out of Harley riders.

Note: If it feels like it's damaging the gearbox, it probably is. If it doesn't, it probably isn't.
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[lukamon]

well, in the owners manual of my 1960 125 vespa, it says "extensive testing has concluded that no additional wear is caused to the gearbox by changing gears without the clutch"

however, common sense tells me that changing the engine speed from say 9000 to 5000 rpm in a nothingth of a second cant do the crank / gears any good
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[Method]

Clutchless shifting is fine.

It is a bit of an art but when mastered it is so much better and easier than the clutch.

I have been clutchless upshifting now for about 2 1/2 years, on both my GS5 and my SV650. Its a lot smoother, its a lot faster, and it does reduce clutch wear too...

Downshifting is a bit harder. This took me a little longer to master but once again i have been doing it for about 2 years. Not every downshift, but most downshifts i now do without the clutch. It takes good timing, and you do need to know your bike quite well to do it safely.

I find that blipping it down without the clutch helps me keep traction on the SV. If i drop it down on the clutch, then i need to slow down with the brakes at the same time otherwise when you release the clutch the rear can lock up slightly and cause you to squirm. With good timing and throttle control you can clutchless down as easy as you can upwards, and i find it helps most of the time.


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