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PostPosted: 20:18 - 07 Jul 2007    Post subject: filtering over hatched areas/solid white lines? Reply with quote

so, where do people stand on this?

example 1: NSL road, single carraigeway, car in front pulls to the left so you can pass, but you might drift slightly over solid white lines, what do you do?

example 2: stationary/crawling traffic, safe to filter, but requires crossing solid white lines, do you?

example 3: same as 2 but theres a hatched area with broken white lines, maybe 2 foot wide, do you filter past traffic here?

example 4: same as 2/3 but hatched area with solid white lines


I'm interested in peoples opinions, especially those related to law enforcement agencies.
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 07 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Would depend on whats comming the other way, but really should be NO
2. Mostly NO. If nothing is comming other way and i can see a safe place to pull in and i can see no police i may go. But get caught and its Confused a fine.
3. Do it all the time. Have even passed police cars.
4. As 3.

Most of these are judgemant calls on what is comming the other way and if any police are around. Cross a solid line, and they can say that any part of you crosses it, not just a wheel is a pullable offence.
Better not to cross solid ones.
I think hattched markings are supposed to be considered as a cheap version of islands. ie you are not supposed to enter them. Also they seem to attract a lot of crap and can be very slippery on breaking.
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 07 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

All sorts of opinions in this:

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=108343

and then again in:

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=116846
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 07 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Solid lines no. Broken lines yes, it's a simple as that.
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 07 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Nope, don't go over solid white lines. Open season on broken borders though.

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PostPosted: 20:58 - 07 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Solid lines means you can only enter in an emergency. I take that to mean taking avoiding action/woman giving birth in the back seat etc. I would expect it includes no entry to overtake a broken-down vehicle etc but I'd consider that to be a bit rediculous.

Broken-lines means don't enter unless you have to. I'd take that to mean enter to move around an obstruction like a broken-down vehicle but I would think it doesn't include simply overtaking. The purpose of the hatched area is "to keep apart dangerous lanes of traffic and protect vehicles turning right" so if you used it as an overtaking lane it wouldn't be serving it's purpose.
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 07 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haven't you ever heard the phrase: 'Treat a solid white line as if it was a brick wall'?
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 07 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Mick & Keith say, no ifs no buts. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 07 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do all of the above, but that's not a rule as such. It really depends on the situation. I'm not going to refrain from crossing a solid white line just because it's a solid white line - if it isn't safe to filter, I won't do it, regardless of whether the line is solid or broken.
Evidently road markings were designed with great hulking lumps of metal with about as much torque as an elephant in mind, not narrow, agile bikes.
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 07 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geri wrote:
The purpose of the hatched area is "to keep apart dangerous lanes of traffic and protect vehicles turning right" so if you used it as an overtaking lane it wouldn't be serving it's purpose.


Not sure. Keeps lanes of traffic apart so you can overtake Wink .

There are plenty of dead straight sections of NSL A roads road here without junctions which they have painted hatched areas in the middle of.

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PostPosted: 21:19 - 07 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can drive on hatched areas if they don't have a solid line round the edge.
Best avoided by and large as they tend to attract puncture causing items.
Solid lines in the centre may be 'cautiously' crossed to pass stationary or very slow vehicles.
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 07 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

repiV wrote:

Evidently road markings were designed with great hulking lumps of metal with about as much torque as an elephant in mind, not narrow, agile bikes.


That excuse wont work when PC Plod pulls you over.

Kickstart wrote:


Not sure. Keeps lanes of traffic apart so you can overtake Wink .

There are plenty of dead straight sections of NSL A roads road here without junctions which they have painted hatched areas in the middle of.

All the best

Keith


A449, Stafford to Penkridge spring to mind. Wink
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 07 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Yep, amoung others. Fair few bits of the A518 like that as well.

To be honest I just treat them as a way to make it easier for people to overtake.

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PostPosted: 21:49 - 07 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finglonga wrote:

That excuse wont work when PC Plod pulls you over.


True, but I'm right, aren't I?

There's nothing I hate more than rules for the sake of rules. Enforcement should be about preventing danger, not preventing defiance.
Besides, I find the police in London turn a blind eye to pretty much everything on the roads - not only minor indiscretions but genuinely dangerous driving too. Rarely would I have any reason to filter over solid white lines outside of London. In fact I rarely do it anyway, but because it's either unsafe or too much effort considering the small space etc. Not because it's illegal.
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 07 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

soilid whites usually entail close contact with oncomming traffic, so i tend never to filter/overtake on them ( bar a fully open straight, with no view obstructions and a clear view of oncomming nutters ). Still, there always seems to be a shagged out escort caining it around a blind corner struggling to overtake a 38 tonner were ever you find a set of these markings......

filtering on hatchings though Thumbs Up .....still, i always get back into a que when comming upto the zig zag sections of pedestrian crossings.
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PostPosted: 09:00 - 08 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is true is that to some extent the solid white line system has been abused in recent years.

They used to be only applied where it was very unsafe to attempt an overtake.

Then they seemed to start extending them until now sometimes they run for miles at a time.
This is not a good way to encourage drivers never mind bike riders to respect them.
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 08 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having just checked the rules online it says you should not enter etc for diagonal lines etc and you must not enter for chevrons. Going by that I'd take it to mean that only entering an area marked by chevrons is a nick in it's own right.

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109: Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.

If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so.
If the area is marked with diagonal stripes and bordered by solid white lines, you should not enter it except in an emergency.
If the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency

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PostPosted: 21:25 - 08 Jul 2007    Post subject: Re: filtering over hatched areas/solid white lines? Reply with quote

Okay, personally as follows:

carlmalibu wrote:
example 1: NSL road, single carraigeway, car in front pulls to the left so you can pass, but you might drift slightly over solid white lines, what do you do?


I don't overtake, I decide when I overtake not when someone encourages me to, and I never overtake on a solid white line.

carlmalibu wrote:
example 2: stationary/crawling traffic, safe to filter, but requires crossing solid white lines, do you?


Two part answer: if the traffic is stationary and has been for some time due to congestion, accident, etc... then yes I'll pass but only if I can see a clear spot to pull in ahead, if there's a bend or obstacle then I'll sit it out. If the traffic is crawling then no, it's that simple.

carlmalibu wrote:
example 3: same as 2 but theres a hatched area with broken white lines, maybe 2 foot wide, do you filter past traffic here?


Yes of course, wouldn't think twice about it unless it compromised my safety and that of others.

carlmalibu wrote:
example 4: same as 2/3 but hatched area with solid white lines.


Same answer as 2.
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 08 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 22:11 - 08 Jul 2007    Post subject: Re: filtering over hatched areas/solid white lines? Reply with quote

carlmalibu wrote:
so, where do people stand on this?

example 1: NSL road, single carraigeway, car in front pulls to the left so you can pass, but you might drift slightly over solid white lines, what do you do?

example 2: stationary/crawling traffic, safe to filter, but requires crossing solid white lines, do you?

example 3: same as 2 but theres a hatched area with broken white lines, maybe 2 foot wide, do you filter past traffic here?

example 4: same as 2/3 but hatched area with solid white lines


I'm interested in peoples opinions, especially those related to law enforcement agencies.


I got done last year for this one , the charge was 'Failing to comply with road traffic markings, namely double white lines'

The result was a £250 fine and 3 points.

I believe that the rules for double whites is that you should not cross them except in an emergency or when directed to do so by a police officer.
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PostPosted: 05:48 - 09 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The highway code says:

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108: Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10mph or less.
Laws RTA sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 26

109: Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.

If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so.

If the area is marked with diagonal stripes and bordered by solid white lines, you should not enter it except in an emergency.

If the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency.
Laws MT(E&W)R regs 5,9,10 & 16, MT(S)R regs 4,8,9 & 14, RTA sect 36 & TSRGD 10(1)


But the interpretation will depend on the demeanour of the police officer if you get caught.
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PostPosted: 07:56 - 09 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never really learnt anything about lines so I struggle when it comes to filtering or not Confused
Place from Brighton to the A27 has one long road with islands every 'X' amount of meters apart. It has the lines (Crappy photo sorry) and I filter over them all the time.
Now, ive always thought they were lines to tell you there is a hazard coming up (the islands)
Correct if im wrong? Can I filter? Ive past a few cop cars and they haven't pulled me.
I generally follow other bikers.... Which I guess will land me in trouble, so is there a site where I can check all the white lines, what they mean, and if its safe to filter. Embarassed
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PostPosted: 09:20 - 09 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

gsxrmick wrote:
Solid lines no. Broken lines yes, it's a simple as that.


+1 with this one. Crossing solid white lines just isn't worth the risk
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 09 Jul 2007    Post subject: Re: filtering over hatched areas/solid white lines? Reply with quote

carlmalibu wrote:
so, where do people stand on this?

example 1: NSL road, single carraigeway, car in front pulls to the left so you can pass, but you might drift slightly over solid white lines, what do you do?

example 2: stationary/crawling traffic, safe to filter, but requires crossing solid white lines, do you?

example 3: same as 2 but theres a hatched area with broken white lines, maybe 2 foot wide, do you filter past traffic here?

example 4: same as 2/3 but hatched area with solid white lines.


1. Car drifts left to "let me pass". I back off as It's undoubtedly now kicking up crud from the gutter. I'll pass him when I chose to, not when he does.
2. Nope.
3. Yep, filter through the hatchings as I'm not crossing a solid line.
4. Nope.

Also, I don't enter the hatched sections near a junction unless I'm turning right. I especially don't overtake as the car in front may be gowing slower because it's about to swing right with no indicators etc....

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PostPosted: 14:32 - 09 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fully agree with Mick, although if on a dual carriageway somewhere you have never been, and you don't have a clue if you turn off next exit, or stay on, you can switch at the last minute(which has a hatched area and solid white line) Cool (provided it's safe to do so, or there's no other traffic affected/around)
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