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PostPosted: 15:49 - 21 Dec 2007    Post subject: frozen zxr, Reply with quote
well i spent today, trying to ride my zxr, after giving the bike a flick over i heard som fairly sinister sounds, so proceded to check the rad, which of course was frozen solid, along with all the pipes on the bike, and i beleive the internals of the engine,
so after finally clearing out the rad and all the pipes of ice and trying to get as much ice out of the pump as possible, i refilled with hot water, and started her,
she didnt make any clunks, which is always a good sign,
i proceded to start and run for about 5 mins untill the engine seemed hot, then switch off and let her cool down and repeated,

it seems to me water is moving, but my temp sensor is telling me otherwise, the most the water reached was 60'C and was just sitting there,
which just isnt right with the zxr, if you let her idle she'll soon zoom up and over the 100'C mark

so if you guys were to hazard a guess would you think,
buggered pump from inital start up,
still frozen internals, (bear in mind it hasnt been above -1'C all day)

never had this bothered with me oil and air cooled bikes Very Happy funnily enough
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 21 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Still a bit of frost on the sensor? Maybe your thermostats stuck open?
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 21 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
i dont run with a thermostat, and the thermo sensor is inside the main pipe
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 21 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
I dont know then. running richer? i think the temperature makes bikes run a bit richer, mine is anyway... theres been alot of carb problems popping up on this section?*


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PostPosted: 16:40 - 21 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
XlonewolfX wrote:
Still a bit of frost on the sensor? Maybe your thermostats stuck open?


Oh man, you just about saved yourself with the second comment, frost on the sensor, at 60'c?

I would of thought you would have had the opposite problem if the pump wasn't working? Maybe an airlock?

Bit messy but disconnect one of the pipes high up on the engine, then start the bike. Within a couple of seconds you'll know if the pumps working Laughing

FWIW my car takes at least 10 minutes to get to 90'c. I know its not the same on bikes but my LC bikes only have an LED to tell me they've overheated.
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 21 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
hmmmnz wrote:
i dont run with a thermostat


what's the chances that you've now got a nice clean flushed out system that's working really well?
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 21 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ichy wrote:
XlonewolfX wrote:
Still a bit of frost on the sensor? Maybe your thermostats stuck open?


Oh man, you just about saved yourself with the second comment, frost on the sensor, at 60'c?

I would of thought you would have had the opposite problem if the pump wasn't working? Maybe an airlock?

Bit messy but disconnect one of the pipes high up on the engine, then start the bike. Within a couple of seconds you'll know if the pumps working Laughing

FWIW my car takes at least 10 minutes to get to 90'c. I know its not the same on bikes but my LC bikes only have an LED to tell me they've overheated.

suck my balls ichy Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 21 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ichy wrote:
hmmmnz wrote:
i dont run with a thermostat


what's the chances that you've now got a nice clean flushed out system that's working really well?


it was a clean system anyway, i run a inline reducer in place of a thermostat to slow the water down, as it originally had a inline thermostat and filler, which just looked stupid on a fighter,
ill have a play again tomorrow,
but i think everything is probably just refreezing over night,
i hope i havnt broken the key slot on the pump,
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PostPosted: 17:11 - 21 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
XlonewolfX wrote:
suck my balls ichy Laughing


You need to grow some first. Wink
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 21 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 21 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ichy wrote:
XlonewolfX wrote:
suck my balls ichy Laughing


You need to grow some first. Wink

there waiting Laughing
lmao, thread hijack, sorry hmmmz.
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 21 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Maybe you had an airlock in there before?

100c seems quite high from a few minute's idling.
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 21 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
ok thats a bit of an exageration, but i can watch the temp rise (its digital and is in .1'c increments)
its been flushed lots of times, every month or so (i have to remove rad ect to get to the exhaust system, which i have modified recently)
i dunno, stupid bike, stupid weather, stupid me for not running a higher ratio of coolant,
oh well, these things are sent to try us Very Happy
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 21 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
hmmmnz wrote:
i dont run with a thermostat, and the thermo sensor is inside the main pipe


Why on earth not!? Thats just a disaster waiting to happen then, you should always run a thermostat, there is no advantage what so ever from not running one. Your engine is just going to take ages to reach operating temp and will never maintain the correct operating temp.

Fit one! Thumbs Up

Oh, and put in some anti-freeze too, that would have saved you a big ice problem. Wink
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 21 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
if you put a coke can in the freezer it explodes violently

if you leave a fresh water - colled bike outside when its below freezing.... Wink
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 21 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Barry_MC21 wrote:
hmmmnz wrote:
i dont run with a thermostat, and the thermo sensor is inside the main pipe


Why on earth not!? Thats just a disaster waiting to happen then, you should always run a thermostat, there is no advantage what so ever from not running one. Your engine is just going to take ages to reach operating temp and will never maintain the correct operating temp.

Fit one! Thumbs Up

Oh, and put in some anti-freeze too, that would have saved you a big ice problem. Wink


did you not read why???
i originally had a external thermostat housing and filler unit as one
but when i turned it into a fighter it just looked dumb,
https://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g257/hmmmnz/DSCF1040Small.jpg
so i changed the rad to a bigger zx6r one which had the filler built in,
but alas no more thermostat.
https://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g257/hmmmnz/DSCF0658Small.jpg
so that is why i run a inline reducer, effectivly slowing the water down to cool the water as its passed through the rad.
and has worked a treat,
and i do run antifreeze/coolant just obvisiously the ratio wasnt high enough and over the 8 days of sub zero temps in scotland while i have been over in germany have been enough to freeze he system solid.
if i had a faired bike i would have left everything as stock and im sure this still would have happened, not having a thermostat hasnt changed anything about the bike,
so before you think you know everything about the set up on a zxr realise we are all not plastic pocket rocket riders Very Happy Wink
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PostPosted: 11:44 - 22 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Where did you get that headlight fairing from? Looks good, are the lights bright enough?
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i got the headlight from ebay.de and have phillips bulbs that set me back £20 in it, they are fairly bright, untill the lens gets dirty from having no mudguard on the bike Very Happy (still to fit)
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 22 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
do you not use antifreeze?
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