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Askura
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PostPosted: 22:35 - 25 Jan 2009    Post subject: Cagiva fix up project. Advice from those who know would rock Reply with quote

Well, long story short, I got hit by a car. Now as some of you may know, it's not so long ago since I got wiped out by a bit of metal. Some may be discouraged by that and quit, but not me. I'm stupid.

I would love advice from where to go, and how to seek the best deals. You guys have always given me sound advice for the most part so I thought I'd ask again for your support/i.e. HALPS!.

The bike in question is a Cagiva 125 planet, 2001 model. It may not be much, but it means a lot to me as I've put a fair amount of effort into getting this bike if anyone remembers the many miles I put into fetching it. You may not think much of these bikes, but I love them. Or rather this one, I don't have the money to buy a new one outright, and would rather stick with this one.

So to continue my biking career I need to fix up my bike. Main points of interest of damage are the following:

- Left indicator will not work, front or rear. -What is the most likely cause, how should I fix it?

- Rear brake seizes up if I try to use it. -What is the most likely cause, how should I go about fixing it?

-Clutch lever, rear brake lever snapped. Where is the best place to buy from? Is £16 reasonable for p&p for said parts or should I look elsewhere?

-Exhaust is bent but intact. Should I just bend it back out and use it or replace?

-Headlight works, but highbeams don't. Is that just a replace a bulb job? or wiring etc?

-Engine sounds pretty rough. It doesn't sit idle very well and takes more revs to go from 0-15mph than usual.

-Speedometer isn't working. Where should the cable go

Some of this may be pretty basic to you, so don't just think I'm being bblatantlystupid for the sake of it or lazy. I genuinely don't have a clue how to go about most of the fixing, yet cannot really afford to prices of our local mechanics. I'm willing to what I can myself, but need some guidelines or advice or where I should start.

Thanks in advance for the time some of you may or may not put in.

Askura.
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 25 Jan 2009    Post subject: Re: Cagiva fix up project. Advice from those who know would Reply with quote

Askura wrote:
- Left indicator will not work, front or rear. -What is the most likely cause, how should I fix it?


Look at the bulbs first did you go down on this side? , then wiring , then relay, if it still doesn't work BUILD your own circuit some wiring about £2 a soldering iron and a £3 car indicator relay can rebuild your entire indicator circuit which is pretty simple and you wire it directly to the battery , my NTV650 had this.


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- Rear brake seizes up if I try to use it. -What is the most likely cause, how should I go about fixing it?


Could be :

Dirt in the seals = strip down job

Bent and warped pedal such that when you push down on it it gets stuck (happened on my NTV also)

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-Clutch lever, rear brake lever snapped. Where is the best place to buy from? Is £16 reasonable for p&p for said parts or should I look elsewhere?


Anywhere really I pay £5 for levers but they are pattern ones that snap if you crash , rear not so sure wemoto probably.

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-Exhaust is bent but intact. Should I just bend it back out and use it or replace?


If it works and doesn't blow and isn't touching anything ie the suspension compressed does not push the wheel or the swing arm into the zorst and the zorst is not touching any plastics leave it.

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-Headlight works, but highbeams don't. Is that just a replace a bulb job? or wiring etc?


Bulb probably check the filmaments are intact first then trace it back through the wiring perhaps the switch.


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-Engine sounds pretty rough. It doesn't sit idle very well and takes more revs to go from 0-15mph than usual.


dunno about this.

Askura wrote:
-Speedometer isn't working. Where should the cable go


on many but not all (my CBR has a cable to the gear box) , it is a cable that goes into the back of the clocks which leads to the hub of the front wheel. Your new fandangled super sports don't have this though.
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PostPosted: 23:32 - 25 Jan 2009    Post subject: Re: Cagiva fix up project. Advice from those who know would Reply with quote

Cheers for the info, it's a good start for me as I don't know what I'm doing for the most part. I'll be working on it for most of the day with a mate. How expensive do you think would be cleaning the seals and what not?
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 25 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok as itchy said lol look at bulbs for your indicators or buy some new ones alround then wireing but it wont be relay as it runs on a one side if it comes to it though as the man says build it up yourself indicator wireing isnt hard

if i remember right the planet had disk brakes(i looked at one befor i bought my w8) likly hood is its seals or worst case the disc, if you can strip replace as nesesary,

clutch and brake leaver hien gerike is where i usualy use i get good quality though i have to order and wait

exhaust as ichy said if it aint broke dont fix it it may snap if you try bend it back if it is causing a problem replace(dont quote me but i hear the mito evo exhaust fits but check that out before you buy)

lights as itchy said

as for the rough engine check your carb air box and engine mainly clean carb clean out air filter box and check the filter itself (if need be get a garage to set up your carb
also maybe a service etc

and finaly the speedo, straight forward and simple on these, it goes straight from the frount wheel into the clock if i remember right they just scre straight into clock

hope you get sorted
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PostPosted: 23:48 - 25 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks man, my exhaust isn't standard but looks like the mito one in pictures so I think you're right about that. It's a disk brake but it seems OK, so it may just require the seals doing. How much would a garage charge for a service on average? Should I try and press for a smaller amount than what they ask?

Also, the front brake squeaks, just noticed that as I wheeled it into the yard. Is that just from it being stored in the rain for the last two days?
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 26 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bent exhaust could actually be related to the engine not working properly.

On two stroke bikes the exhaust design is very important to the performance of the engine. Can you post a picture of the exhaust damage please?
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 26 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I've removed the exhaust for now so I can get rid of some of the rust and give the bike a good clean and get rid of the little bits of dirt that is trapped in the frame. I'll take pics tomorrow of it back on
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 26 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Using more revs to get up to 15mph could be the brakes sticking...

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PostPosted: 18:29 - 26 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It could be indi relay.

Postage is a bit high on the part mind.

Ive owned a planet, loved it. Got a mito now.

Good place for cagiva parts i found was

www.cagivaspares.co.uk

Hope this helps

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PostPosted: 20:39 - 26 Jan 2009    Post subject: Re: Cagiva fix up project. Advice from those who know would Reply with quote

Askura wrote:
- Left indicator will not work, front or rear. -What is the most likely cause, how should I fix it?


Check the bulbs, then check and clean the connections, then swap relay and finally trace wires.

Askura wrote:
- Rear brake seizes up if I try to use it. -What is the most likely cause, how should I go about fixing it?


The lever can catch on the exhaust mount if it's bent. As it's broken we'll skip that.

Strip, clean and rebuild. If you can't, don't bother paying someone to do it, just get another. You'll find a good one for less than the cost of an an hours labour.

Askura wrote:
-Clutch lever, rear brake lever snapped. Where is the best place to buy from? Is £16 reasonable for p&p for said parts or should I look elsewhere?


A few quid for postage at most. Try Mito Mondo/MME for new and used parts or eBay for used items.

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-Exhaust is bent but intact. Should I just bend it back out and use it or replace?


Bent how exactly? Are you sure it isn't a Mito Evo spanny, which is different to the one fitted to the Planet.

Askura wrote:
-Headlight works, but highbeams don't. Is that just a replace a bulb job? or wiring etc?


Check bulb, then check and clean connections, then strip and clean switchgear, then replace switchgear and finally trace wires.

Askura wrote:
-Engine sounds pretty rough. It doesn't sit idle very well and takes more revs to go from 0-15mph than usual.


Clean carb. Check that the jets are correct size. Check floats and needle position are correct. Adjust idle speed screw and air screw so it idles at 1800rpm (for winter). Check the air box tube and inlet manifold for cracks. Clean the air filter.

Are you used to strokers, power delivery is totally different to a 4T.

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-Speedometer isn't working. Where should the cable go


One end crews into the back of the speedo the other into the speedo drive mounted on the left hand side of the front wheel spindle. The speedo is reliable, but the cable and drives do break.
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 26 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

collywog19 wrote:


place for cagiva parts i founded is

www.cagivaspares.co.uk

Hope this helps

Colin


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PostPosted: 00:03 - 27 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mitomondo is also good for parts.

Most of the problems you have put there come down to giving it a good clean and service, including giving your brakes a good clean - there's a guide on this in the guides. The problems with assorted lighting is probably down to blown bulbs, or the wiring pulling out.

I have a couple of cagiva planet 500s in varying states of roadworthiness, and I've had both of them down to the frame and back up to a fullish bike in a day. It isn't difficult, so don't be scared to get stuck in - I believe our bikes share most parts barring engines.

Work through the problems one by one, easiest first. There's a fair chance that one problem could be causing another one (eg dragging brake causing the illusion of less power).

Also your switches are not above suspicion, particularly if it has been standing a while. If the bulb is ok, and the wiring bullet connectors are ok, open the handlebar switch and spray lots of WD40 in, until it comes out clean.
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PostPosted: 00:52 - 27 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

robby wrote:
I have a couple of cagiva planet 500s in varying states of roadworthiness, and I've had both of them down to the frame and back up to a fullish bike in a day. It isn't difficult, so don't be scared to get stuck in - I believe our bikes share most parts barring engines.


No such beast as a Planet 500. River 500? The only parts they share are forks, wheels, and maybe a few minor parts like the switchgear.
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 27 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, yes, River 500.

I thought they would share more parts, but I was only looking at it logically, and it is a cagiva...
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PostPosted: 02:12 - 28 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a quick question, those places are good for parts, but do you know anywhere good for fairing/panels etc for the planet?

Thanks for the help altogether though, much more than I expected Very Happy
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 29 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the help guys, got it back on the road for the most part and it's running pretty smooth. Thanks again, you've saved me money, time and effort by the most part Very Happy

Heres some pics. I should have taken a few "Work in progress" ones but didn't think for the most part.

Before I put the mudguard back on~

https://img113.imageshack.us/img113/8356/image090fq0.jpg

https://img48.imageshack.us/img48/7476/image092dx6.jpg

After a test ride with my mate.

https://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1111/image093lj4.jpg
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 29 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know its working now and all, but you could always sell it to me for not a lot of money... I'll put a 350 powervalve engine in it! Smile
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 30 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd love to but....then again I love the damn thing too much. I'll let you know when I've saved enough for that Triumph speed triple I've been keeping my eye on though Razz
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 31 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great! Thumbs Up

Two things:

The spanny looks like the standard part with a different end can fitted.

You should get the belly pan that fits on to the spanny and hides it, it makes it look a lot nicer IMHO.
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PostPosted: 06:57 - 31 Mar 2009    Post subject: Cagiva Planet for sale Reply with quote

Hi, i've got one of these great cagiva planet bikes for sale. Please have a look. Cheers.


https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=170317&highlight=cagiva+planet

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PostPosted: 08:37 - 31 Mar 2009    Post subject: Re: Cagiva Planet for sale Reply with quote

Jamie_lvs_bikez wrote:
Hi, i've got one of these great cagiva planet bikes for sale. Please have a look. Cheers.


https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=170317&highlight=cagiva+planet

Jamie Smile


Very nice but its too much money. And I've never heard of Maserati Forks.
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