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PostPosted: 06:07 - 18 Dec 2009    Post subject: What program to colour diagrams? Reply with quote

I need to colour some wiring diagrams at times to make them easier to follow;

Does anyone know what program is best to use for colouring the wires?

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PostPosted: 06:40 - 18 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Might you not be able to find some colour wiring diagrams online? I've seen quite a few in my travels.
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PostPosted: 06:47 - 18 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I want to colour some of those I have, but only get in mono.
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PostPosted: 09:28 - 18 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use Paint. It draws coloured lines and boxes.
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 18 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I use Paint. It draws coloured lines and boxes.


Yes have tried it, but can it draw say yellow/black lines? I could only draw single colour lines with it?
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 18 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try Paint.net

It's free and it's basically paint on steroids.

I haven't got a copy to hand so I can't confirm it can draw yellow and black lines but it sounds like the kind of thing it would be able to do.
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 18 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

TQ wrote:
Try Paint.net

It's free and it's basically paint on steroids.

I haven't got a copy to hand so I can't confirm it can draw yellow and black lines but it sounds like the kind of thing it would be able to do.


Paint.net also seems to be lacking when needing multi-coloured wires??
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 18 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do a thick line, then a thin line on top of it for bicoloured wires.

It's white ones that are difficult, you need to do long, thin rectangles.

Do it all big and chunky then scale it down for the final version. Something like photoshop is better for scaling than paint.

Reduce the colour depth to 256 (or even 16) colours.

Don't save the original as a .jpg or .png. Use a lossless format like .bmp or .tif or you'll have trouble editing it later (specifically doing things like flood filling a wire to a different colour, compressed formats pixellate them). If you need to email it you can save a copy as a compressed format and email that but keep the original lossless.
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PostPosted: 00:23 - 19 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:

Don't save the original as a .jpg or .png. Use a lossless format like .bmp or .tif

Tut Tut - "Type of format lossless bitmap image format" from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.png - and, yes, you can check to see that I didn't just edit it to say that Wink.
PNG is basically a betterer .gif, that also doesn't suffer copyright issues that never really happened.

GIMP is worth a look if you want free photo editing stuff - should do all you need in this case.
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 19 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:

Tut Tut - "Type of format lossless bitmap image format" from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.png - and, yes, you can check to see that I didn't just edit it to say that Wink.
PNG is basically a betterer .gif, that also doesn't suffer copyright issues that never really happened.

GIMP is worth a look if you want free photo editing stuff - should do all you need in this case.


MS paint .png files are not proper .png files, it doesn't compress them properly and can screw them up. Fine if using .png in photoshop or GIMP but not MS paint.

I actually use Kolourpaint for linux which is basically the same as MS paint but a bit better at scaling/resizing, handling transparency and undoing.
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 20 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

i use visio,
its not perfect, but its better than paint and paint.net
its better than every other program ive tryed,

if you want a multi coloured line, then you have to draw the base line
and then do it again with either a thinner line or a dotted one,
on the plus side it will follow the previous line you've drawn, so isn't too bad.


if you are running win 7 then you'll need visio 2007
if you are running xp then visio pro 2002 is sweet/better but doesnt seem to run on win7
both are on bit torrent and have the codes with them
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 20 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:

MS paint .png files are not proper .png files, it doesn't compress them properly and can screw them up. Fine if using .png in photoshop or GIMP but not MS paint.

Fair enough, though I suspect this may be sorted in later versions?
Still use mspaint for screen shots on occasion at work.
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 20 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks! Visio is about the only program to date I have not looked at for this purpose.

Smartdraw claims to do wiring digrams, but I have not tested it yet and the screenshots all show non colour schematics.

Excellent collection of wiring diagrams you have made available!!!!
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 20 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about a freeware vector drawing program?
I used open office draw to create this, took a minute.
Use the polygon (45 degree) line drawing tool, when I'd got the layout, set the 'back' colour, copied and pasted it and made the line ontop dotted and changed the colour.
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 20 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes that opens another option that I will try. Basically the perfect one would be a program that can change the wire colours on an existing diagram, but in addition one that will also allow drawing up a complete wiring diagram or modification from scratch.

Thanks, I never even thought of looking at Ooo Draw. Smile
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 20 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

let me know if you find anything, i do quite a few diagrams every month,
all using visio,
https://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv118/hmmmnz2/yamaha/th_xz400.jpg

have a look in the wiring diagram thread
for more diagrams, might save you a bit of work if the diagram is already there,


and if you do start doing diagrams,
i expect links Very Happy for the greater good and all that Very Happy
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 20 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmmnz wrote:
let me know if you find anything, i do quite a few diagrams every month, all using visio, and if you do start doing diagrams, i expect links Very Happy for the greater good and all that Very Happy


Will do! Your wiring diagrams are actually one of my main sources when fixing a friends bike.
I am not planning any large scale colouring, just for bikes that may need some time spent on the diagram to fixed up butchered wiring.

I will most likely try Visio soon.
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 20 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

glad i could help
heres the torrents for visio
visio 2007 if you want visio pro 2002 let me know, it doesnt seem to be on bit torrent any more... but i still have a copy on my hard drive, i think its a better program, but it doesnt seem to work on win7 which bites Very Happy[/url]
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 08 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have set up Visio on Win7. Quickly saw that I will need to do a bit of playing around to get the hang of it before it will be useful. Now I just need some spare time.
Thanks for the tip again. Very Happy

By the way do you have a Kymco Zing Wiring Diagram somewhere?
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