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PostPosted: 06:40 - 06 Apr 2010    Post subject: Who you gonna vote for? Reply with quote

Now I'm 30 it's time for me to vote.
I haven't bothered over the past12 years cos i couldn't be arsed.

There is alot of choice, and i haven't got a clue.

So then boys and girls of BCF, who are you voting for and why?

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PostPosted: 06:52 - 06 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not voting.

It's like having three blokes knock at your door and asking "which one of us would you like to rob you, rape your cat and enslave your children?".
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PostPosted: 08:04 - 06 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
It's like having three blokes knock at your door and asking "which one of us would you like to rob you, rape your cat and enslave your children?".


The one with the nicest smile.
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Not voting achieves nothing as the government takes it as an indication that the parties are so close on policy that you can't choose between them and don't mind who wins.

If your serious about not liking any of the parties you can either deface your ballot, showing that you turned up, you care, but don't consider any vote worthy. Or you can add your own column on and vote for that e.g 'None of the above'. Either way at least turning up gives out the message that you care, and if enough people do it, they will be forced to change the system.
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PostPosted: 08:14 - 06 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaFrostyOne wrote:
If your serious about not liking any of the parties you can either deface your ballot, showing that you turned up, you care, but don't consider any vote worthy. Or you can add your own column on and vote for that e.g 'None of the above'. Either way at least turning up gives out the message that you care, and if enough people do it, they will be forced to change the system.



Not really spoiling your vote and none of the above due to our twisted archaic voting system is actually a vote for the incumbents i.e. labour.

No matter how small the majority or even if more people vote for the opposite side like in the 2005 election they will claim a mandate. It is like Mao Zhedong claiming devine mandate under the force of guns tbh.

The markets have reacted badly to labour getting into power again due to ZIRP and QE currency trashing, when the polls narrowed the markets priced the £1 @ $1.47 when there was news of a hung parliment.

Remember the Pimco bond strike has already happened and the government is using printed money zimbabwe style to pay the day to day bills via an accounting trick


Although part of me wants to see labour win, so the scortched earth policy they have been running will blow up in their own faces, though this is unfair on everybody else.
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PostPosted: 09:20 - 06 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does turning up, going into the voting booth, squeezing shit out of my arse, smearing it around the booth and using the ballot paper to wipe with count as voting?

If not, then I am not voting this year.

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PostPosted: 09:23 - 06 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
I'm not voting.

It's like having three blokes knock at your door and asking "which one of us would you like to rob you, rape your cat and enslave your children?".

This isn't a dig at you Shaggy, but I have noticed a lot of people saying this. There are more than three parties to vote for in the election, yet everybody assumes there are only three.

Make sure there aren't any other parties you would vote for before not voting at all.
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PostPosted: 10:11 - 06 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd prefer to vote UKIP but want Labour out so will vote Tory this time round.

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PostPosted: 12:58 - 06 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have voted for all 3 of the main parties in the past. But this time round I want a change of government, so I will be voting conservative.

Where I live labour has a very small majority, not much more than 1000. So it will be a key seat.

To be fair to labour in the past Tony Blair came and went to our local chippy and got a bag of chips, they still have his picture on the wall.

The 10% Tax rate fiasco, the selling of gold at rock bottom prices, Northern Rock scandal (i.e. why not just say at the beginning you will guarantee all bank deposits), the massive devaluation of sterling (i have relatives abroad). Are just some of the reasons I want them out.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 06 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want Labour out, why do you have to vote Conservative? Surely voting one party just to get rid of another is a bad idea?
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 06 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vote? In this sham of a democracy? I'll vote when my vote counts for something (proportional representation). Until then I'll not waste my time.
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 06 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarkJ wrote:
If you want Labour out, why do you have to vote Conservative? Surely voting one party just to get rid of another is a bad idea?


Maybe it is, but voting for some party that hasn't got a hope of getting in as a vote against labour will just mean that labour get in. It is a crazy first past the post system.

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PostPosted: 13:52 - 06 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have any of them mentioned anything about motorcycling? I'd be willing to vote for the party that seems the least anti-biking. I realise it's not likely to be high on their priority lists but maybe some party members have made comments about bike-related issues in the past year or so.
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 06 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

By voting, for anyone, you actively condone a rotten, corrupt and criminally fraudulent system.

By not voting you condemn it. And rightfully so. Make your voice heard by NOT voting. Because BY voting you throw your voice into the wind.
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 06 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarkJ wrote:
The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
I'm not voting.

It's like having three blokes knock at your door and asking "which one of us would you like to rob you, rape your cat and enslave your children?".

This isn't a dig at you Shaggy, but I have noticed a lot of people saying this. There are more than three parties to vote for in the election, yet everybody assumes there are only three.

Make sure there aren't any other parties you would vote for before not voting at all.


Oh yes, there's other blokes lurking in the background, champing at the bit to get a slice of the action, but those three blokes have it sorted nicely that they'd never get a look in.
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 06 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:


Oh yes, there's other blokes lurking in the background, champing at the bit to get a slice of the action, but those three blokes have it sorted nicely that they'd never get a look in.


Laughing Yeah, vote for some party other than Labour or Tory and realise you might just as well have set your ballot on fire and thrown it down the toilet.

The system in this country forces people to vote for one of the two main parties who they hate the least. Some democracy, eh?

It's a total farce, don't waste your time. Anyone who votes is an out and out mug.
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 06 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

kawakid wrote:


To be fair to labour in the past Tony Blair came and went to our local chippy and got a bag of chips, they still have his picture on the wall.



Laughing You're easily sold aren't you? Were there more of you around, all I'd need is some pictures of me kissing babies and visiting a few cancer wards at the hospital and maybe I could be next in line come May Wink

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PostPosted: 14:14 - 06 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

panrider_uk wrote:
I'd prefer to vote UKIP but want Labour out so will vote Tory this time round.

Mark


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PostPosted: 14:54 - 06 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I've just done some research into First Past The Post and it seems I had the wrong end of the stick. I always thought that a vote for a party was a vote for them - not one that was completely ignored if another party gets more votes. What a crock.

Still, I'm going to vote for one of the non-top-three, as I couldn't bring myself to vote for any of the main three even if I just wanted another out.
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 06 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being in Scotland gives a unique opportunity to take a poke at all the main parties, probably similar in Wales too.

I'm not overly keen on independance, I think the SNP are a shower of nannying newspaper headline chasing knee jerk politicians for the most part, but in voting for them in the UK election it sends a pretty clear message about how the UK parliament is regarded.

So thats what I'll be doing. Imagine if the SNP take a good majority of Scottish UK parliament seats and GB/Labour manage to cling on to power. His position and that of all the other Scottish MP's with cabinet positions will become decidedly awkward, it'll great fun to watch too.

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PostPosted: 18:29 - 06 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
Vote? In this sham of a democracy? I'll vote when my vote counts for something (proportional representation). Until then I'll not waste my time.


Was this not how how the Germans used to work things pre-WW2? (Proportional representation), because thinking back to my Modern World History GCSE lessons (well, it was better than Spanish at least Neutral ), i was told (which is partly why i'm bringing it up because history isn't always taught accurately), that because of this system the country ended up in a mess due to many small parties and no one really in charge (as an inevitable result of proportional representation) and so the country was getting itself in a big mess because there was no parliamentary cohension because everyone was trying to get one over each other instead of banding together and forming alliances to do the "right" thing (seems to be that way even now, but at least someone can force their decisions through - shame it's currently labour - due to the system forcing just a few main parties into parliamentary seats), so the man that was more extreme and promised to solve everything managed to get into power through the people's desperation - Hitler, and then the problems really began.

Therefore isn't proportional representation a bad idea despite seeming good on the surface? (or was i lied to?)

I think it's better to vote for a party you like than not vote at all (even if they won't get in) as the main parties are made aware that a vote has been cast in your area, for a party that isn't them. If enough people do that, they may even come round your area to ask what's up. If you don't vote, they take it as voter apathy, which is the furtherest thing from the truth. Defecating on the ballot papers seems more like repulsion/aversion for democracy itself, rather than a message to those in power that you don't want them in power. I'd take a stab of a guess that most intelligent people are aware democracy is a crap political system; it's just that it's the least crap political system out there (to my knowledge at least).

The least anti-biking party sounds like a good one, who's that then Wink
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 06 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

As it is, where I live at the moment, us tenants are not declared...so we don't exist on the electoral role. So I have no voting rights even if I wanted to vote.
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 06 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ingah wrote:
I think it's better to vote for a party you like than not vote at all (even if they won't get in) as the main parties are made aware that a vote has been cast in your area, for a party that isn't them.


By voting, you're rubber stamping the mugging. At the last election, Labour got 35% of the votes, which meant that 65% didn't want them. So, two thirds of the voters don't want Labour, yet they still get in?
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 06 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ingah wrote:

Was this not how how the Germans used to work things pre-WW2? (Proportional representation)...................

Therefore isn't proportional representation a bad idea despite seeming good on the surface? (or was i lied to?)


As far as I know Germany still uses a PR system. It does have a down side, as it gives tiny minority parties far more power. Sort of "support our nutty policy and you get the critical extra support of 1 MP". Not sure how to (fairly) get round that issue, sort of requiring a min number of votes to get any support (which pretty much fails on the fair bit).

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PostPosted: 19:14 - 06 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

No the point of proportional representation IS minority government, with minority government the government is effectively crippled and unable to do anything.

And therefore unable to bring in stupid new laws and ill thought out suggestions like SORN and having microchips put in people from birth or having your DNA taken at birth (I can't remember if labour got that policy through were they took all babies DNA).


The markets don't like it though which is why the £ is going into freefall.
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 06 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
By voting, you're rubber stamping the mugging. At the last election, Labour got 35% of the votes, which meant that 65% didn't want them. So, two thirds of the voters don't want Labour, yet they still get in?


Let us not forget all the "i don't care", "they're all the same", "corrvpt-fvcking-vermin-filth-pigs","masonic bildererg cia conspiracy" heroes who strike a blow on our behalf right at the very heart of the powermongers with their resounding battlecry:

"meh".

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