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PostPosted: 20:42 - 27 Dec 2012    Post subject: Building a bike from ebay Reply with quote

I seem to remember a bike mag doing an article on this a few years back.
But over the last few days (and beers) ive been wondering how hard and most of all how cheaply this can be done compared to say buying a bike.

I like the idea (i stress idea) of doing this, and being able to customise specific parts as you build.

Ducatis are pretty easy to work on (except for the engine), my 749 is the only bike ive properly stripped back before and it was a doddle.

Would make a fun project im sure.

Bodywork seems to be the only thing that could screw everything up, bodywork is stupidly expensive new or used for most bikes.
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 27 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finish the project by making your own fairings?

Use chicken wire and paper mache or clay or something to build some temporary fairings. Then create a mould using this temporary fairing. With a fairing mould you can create your own fairings quite easily (well, as my research showed when I was interested in doing this).

Would be a fair bit of work creating the moulds and fairings... but you would have a truly unique bike... you could also steal your favourite styles from each bike to create a fairing that's truly you.

Will probably not match a proper fairing in terms of efficiency and aerodynamics.

Worth looking in to though I think! Bonus point being that if you smash up your fairings, you could easily make new ones.
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 27 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a nice idea and if time scale isn't a issue it could be done for a bargin price, however for me too many things on ebay are described as in "good condtion" and its seems my good condition and some ones elses are poles apart it can be frustrating Smile
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 27 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats something like i want to do.... duke cafe racer,big forks,big engine...black.
Using parts i've gathered from this bike and the rest from salvage bikes of ebay.

Just finding the time and the space to do it...... one day...one day.
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 27 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

For what they are, getting a rolling chassis and engine can be had for pretty cheap.

Its the little things like clocks, seats and discs that ramp up the costs.

But then if you had loads of time, you could only buy the bargain items that come on, rather than just buy whats on ebay right now.

Id like to build a 999 with a 1098 engine, or just a 1098.

But with my own spin, i wouldnt go as far as making my own fairings though Razz
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 27 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Making your own fairings...

The amount of development cost/time that would go into it would probably cost you more then the rest of the bike! Assuming you do it the easy way and just make an external glass mould, sanding the contours of the fairing to get it flat enough to spray would take you days. Trust me.

If you did it properly with an internal mould and gelcoat then it would take you even more time and effort but at least you'd be able to reproduce the fairing. If you don't have much experience making fibreglass moulds and parts then its going to take you a LOT of time. Assuming you have a full time job so you'll only be working on it evenings and weekends, with a reasonably complex design its safe to say that it's going to take you a month per panel and if your doing a nose cone, two sides and a tail unit then it's going to take you 4 months to get something that resembles a reasonable fairing.

On top of this assuming you buy matting/resin/hardener/mould release/tissue/sandpaper and filler (Yes, you'll need filler) in bulk it'll still cost you at least £300 assuming you get it really cheap. Then you have to spray it etc.

It's really not a cheap and easy option, it can be worth it and the end product can be absolutely brilliant, but it can also be 4 months and hundreds of pounds wasted on something that looks like its been squeezed out of a cows anus.

Oh, and its easier to make your initial mould out of polystyrene, clay and balsa wood. Saves a lot of wasted fibreglass.
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 27 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no intention of even trying to make my own fairings, ever.....

closest id go is buying Chinese fairings and modifying them to fit properly.
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 27 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: Building a bike from ebay Reply with quote

Wave2k wrote:
But over the last few days (and beers) ive been wondering how hard and most of all how cheaply this can be done compared to say buying a bike.

Have a few more beers and keep drinking until either you cant remember the question, or with the monsterouse pounding in your head you cant stand the thought of dropping a cotton bud on the carpet, let alone a spanner on a paving slab!

Think about it; people buy bikes to break, sell the bits on e-bay and make a profit....

Ergo.... it would cost you MORE just to get all the bits of a scrap bike some-one has bought to break on the bay, than it would to buy the heap of junk ion one piece in the first place.....

Even starting with WHOLE piles of junk, I can say that most of the time bringing them back to some standard of serviceability costs more than they are worth in that standard of serviceability...

Its a great way to waste time, money and effort, make mess and alienate members of your house-hold!

BUT... if you can wrap your head around that perverse bit of masocism.... it CAN be a hole lot of fun, and enormousely satisfying to ride something you have created from a pile of scrap, and feel you have 'saved' a poor old bike from becoming a chinese washing machine......... and you just have to console yourself that you could waste as much or more money, fishing... playing golf..... riding a push-bike that dont go no-where in a gym, you have driven to Rolling Eyes stuff like that.....
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 27 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wave2k wrote:
For what they are, getting a rolling chassis and engine can be had for pretty cheap.

Its the little things like clocks, seats and discs that ramp up the costs.

But then if you had loads of time, you could only buy the bargain items that come on, rather than just buy whats on ebay right now.

Id like to build a 999 with a 1098 engine, or just a 1098.

But with my own spin, i wouldnt go as far as making my own fairings though Razz


Mine was a standard 916, full strip down and rebuild took about a month/2 months.... Just got 848 forks and 848evo callipers for it.
Fairings are from Australia (who got them from china).
1098 sidestand..Carbon bits,etc....
Hopefully the main goal is to shoe horn a 1098/1198 engine in it next year, but that will involve sorting out the loom,exhaust system, custom airbox etc... more work and more time.
Frame will come off soon as i painted it and now regret not getting powder coated like the wheels.

Your only limit is your imagination,wallet and time... Thumbs Up Wink

BTW i think im in it for roughly £4k for the bike, £1500 for the first build and now about £1200ish for the front end up grade.
The engine will set me back about £2k ish.... plus all the other bits.
Shocked It does catch up quickly Wink
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PostPosted: 23:12 - 27 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

On 'waiting for the bargains':

Delivery costs will be monstrous if you're talking about building one bike.

Heavy/large bits like engines, wheels, frame, seat, fairings are going to run you at least a tenner each.

Anything bigger than a brake lever will be knocking on a fiver.

Sending anything that's more than a few millimeters thick in all three dimensions will be at least a quid (i.e, not a letter).

Those are low estimates. The point is, while sending a bike cross country can be done for 100-200 quid, sending even 30-50 of the parts seperately will cost far in excess of that.

I suppose it depends how low level you go and how many parts you can get from the same sellers.
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 27 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave, Dave Dave Dave Dave.


Dave.

Please.

Projects and restorations (which generally start with a complete bike) always cost more than buying a whole bike. The bits that seem like they'll be cheap will be the ones that slow you down. They will be the last 5% that costs 60% of the budget and 80% of the time.

Just read something like Classic motorcycle mechanics or Practical Sportsbikes to see for yourself.

The only reason you'd want to do a project is either because you want to build something that doesn't exist, or because you love the project.

It is never cheaper to build a bike from bits than it is to buy a tatty bike. It is certainly much much quicker too.

Step away from the online auction site.
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PostPosted: 01:13 - 28 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I built this using E-Bay exclusively. The engine I won for £120 also came with frame, electrics, carbs, airbo and even the right hand twistgrip with throttle and master cylinder.
I wanted upside downies, R1 forks, wheel (with good tyre) and mudguard, £150.
Rear swinger, '08 blade, £15 (!!!) '08 shock £45, tyre (used but V good) £60. Chain £70, rear sprocket, £18.
929 subframe £20, seats and plastics £55.
Paint, sundry bolts etc £100.
A 'streeted 918 'blade, on the road for £630 odd. I then decided to put a front fairing on, £22 for the plastics, £30 for the headlamp, (could have stayed with the spare round lamp I had in stock).
I have now decided to mod an'08 race fairing to fit, £150 inc postage.
I have a ong way to go to spend as much as a nice carby blade would go for and I have something unique that rides very well.
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