right turn lowside again, am I doing it wrong?

[Val]

Right turn lowside two days...again, it happens on yearly basis for me the last 4 years. Tradition which I do not like to keep.

Need your advice guys do I need to book some track days to master my right turn?

Here is what has happened: right turn on unknown twisty road, decreasing radius bend, me obviously going too hot, trying to lean more realize this is not helping enough, so I try a tiny bit of back brake, obviously not tiny enough, me losing control lowside with some trail style pathetic attempt with my right foot to save it, not working enough in the final phase just dropping the bike, angry as hell.

In same scenario I do have tried the front brake previously the result was bad, I have tried last year a little bit off throttle, big mistake

The question is do I need finally to do some track day and try to master this decreasing radius right bend?

How do you guys do it if you are too hot in such decreasing radius bend? Throttle off - unsettle the bike, any brake front or back - again unsettle the bike?
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You sound like you'd be much better off with 4 wheels mate.
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[Sako]

Just lean it more and push the inside bar, keep arms relaxed and focus on exit, bike will make it.

[nightshaddow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVWNinsmkAw
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[Spudly]

I'm gonna say add more lean and more throttle, but I'm prepared to be sneered at.

The physics wold tell me that increasing lean will decrease the turn radius, while increasing throttle will engage centripetal force and keep the bike from falling over. Obviously you will have to find a balance, but seems to me that the counterintuitive response will be the correct one.
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[Slacker24seve...]

Were you properly on it or were you just pootling and it took you by surprise?

It sounds like you need to turn in later. Slow in, fast out. Get on the gas when you see the vanishing point widen.

Have you got a street view/google maps picture of it? If it was a decreasing radius turn then hedges/trees/telegraph poles could have given clues, in which case poor obs.
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[Val]

[J.M.]

Go slower on unknown roads. You don't know what mysteries are hiding behind the corners or what the corners are hiding in themselves.

Braking in a corner unless applied with some very forceful countersteering is going to make you go wide. Lean and throttle on to go tight.

Braking hard with the rear brake in an attempt to slow down for a decreasing radius corner is a big no no. You run the risk of locking the rear and... well... low-sliding!
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[Val]

[Musketeer]

I'm no expert so don't eat me alive.. but I always fight against my survival instincts and it's worked so far.

I usually don't go into bends too hot but shit happens sometimes i.e. I had that on the way too Wales a few days ago when I had a bend that was pretty much over 150 degrees, downhill with guiderails on the side of it but I didn't expect it to be that kind of bend so I approached it like I do 90 degree bends. And then it was like 'oh shit'.. but I DID NOT TOUCH brakes. I did everything else, trying to keep big chunk of the weight on my rear tyre (not easy to fight instincts), lean to the inside, countersteer, and.. prayed that I would make it without hitting the kerb/rail.. It's especially scary when you go down the hill at the same time, it makes it so uncomfortable feeling that you think there is way too much weight on your tiny front tyre that in split second mind tells you keep your throttle steady, but instincts tell to let the throttle go and that it's already too late and you are going to crash haha.
So I guess the important thing is.. NOT TO PANIC, BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY FUCKED.

It's kinda funny how many things you can think of in split second when adrenaline is pumping

Also as people above said.. go slower on unknown roads, don't exceed your skills.

[MarJay]

You have to open the throttle progressively and smoothly after you turn in to a corner. If you crash when doing that, you're going too fast.
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[floydwaters]

When I'm riding twisties that I'm unfamiliar with I use the satnav with no destination programmed, it gives you an idea of how sharp the bends are on the road ahead.
Works for me, now all I need is an app for gravel.
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[1cyl]

All this guff about more lean less break more throttle. Pah. Every bends different.

OP. Get out there and find some less used roundabouts
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[Ichy]

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[clancy]

As above, trusting the bike is absolute key in corners

Never touch the breaks, terrible idea, you dont wanna roll off the throttle either because that transfers weight to the front wheel which can put you on the floor. You need to either keep the throttle consistent through the bend to keep the weight transfer the same or accelerate so it's all on the back wheel

Also I don't know how you ride you may do it anyway but If you feel the bikes leaning too far remember you can lean off of the bike a considerable distance, leaving the bike more upright giving better grip
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[fozzym]

The simple and most effective answer in to slow down..... Seriously, if you don't know the road then just take it a bit easier, look well ahead and keep your eyes peeled for clues of whats to come. If the road is particularly twisty then expect the next blind bend to be sharp even though it might not be.

Is it really worth pushing things if you don't know the road, just slow down and enjoy the ride. Better to take a bend at 50 and think I could have done it easy at 60 than shit your pants round at 70.

Like others have said if you do get caught out and we all do, just trust the bike and lean her over more. But even when I have been caught out its never really been near a crash, just a case of oh shit this bend is a bit sharper than I thought, better throw her over a bit more.

One thing I have found doing track days is that I go more steady on the roads, you will never match the thrill of the track on the road so I don't even try. I find a different pleasure on the roads and thats just the pleasure of being out there enjoying being on the bike, speed in the bends isn't on my agenda.

[Slacker24seve...]

[Dalemac]

Took you by surprise?

If it was such a bad bend then you would have been forewarned by road signs.

Signs such as:

https://www.accountancyage.com/IMG/414/60414/double-bend-ahead-uk-road-sign-1-370x229.jpg?1246441591

https://www.britannia-driving-school.co.uk/images/tt/rightturn.jpg

https://www.signservicesuk.com/online/thumb.php?src=products/large/1210857727_P7104.jpg&wmax=300&hmax=400&quality=100&bgcol=FFFFFF

Perhaps you should also improve your observations and understand why these signs are there?
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[Wave2k]

id put money on the fact after going into the corner to hot, your are leaning on the front brake.

Bad enough to come off the throttle going into a bend hot as all the weight surges forward anyway, add a little brake its a recipe for disaster.

Throttle control is key for cornering, its the difference between being upright and on your ass sometimes.
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