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 Posted: 20:40 - 14 Sep 2013  Post subject: How do I keep the sky-fluid out? |
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On the last weekend of this month, I am riding to London from Derby to see my sister. It has just occurred to me that on the 120 miles of M1, at this time of year it is bound to rain at least 23 times.
Can anyone suggest a good (lowest possible price) set of rain gear? I have tried a £6 builders rain suit, but it was too tight over my gear, causing both parts to split.
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My "El Nino " one peice is not Gortex and never ever has let a drop of water in ,although its not exactly a budget waterproof but there's nothing worse than being cold and wet on a long ride ,so money well spent me thinks  |
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| Posted: 21:17 - 14 Sep 2013 Post subject: |
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My rubbery lined army surplus trousers have been waterproof in every situation I've used them in, as has my roadworks-style thermal placcy jacky.
What they're not is breathable, which is where Goretex comes in. I'll go check my lottery numbers...
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Stay away from the RST Slice textiles! Supposedly waterproof and in less than half an hour of not particularly heavy rain on Friday, I had my own personal puddle in my trousers. Unimpressed. *whinge*
I've got a Flexothane coverall I got from ebay that I'd read good things about on BCF. It's the Montreal, and being lanky I was surprised the size charts actually give you something that fits. I've not tried mine yet so don't wish to comment on how waterproof it actually is, but it certainly looks like it will do a better job than anything else I've seen for the money. There's a size chart here if you fancy a try, and if you're a M, L or 3XL  there are some yellow ones on ebay for under £30 at the moment. It's stretchy too so should eliminate any splitting issues you've experienced before.
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Well that depends on what size you are? 
Mine is pretty roomy to be honest. I think they are designed purposefully to go over motorcycle gear, so have plenty of room.
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Appears you've been under a rock then. Goretex isn't the be all and end all of waterproofing. It's nice to have but it's bloody expensive. |
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As stated earlier Gortex isn't the only waterproof system. There are others that perform as just as well. The only reason Gortex is recommended so often is the guarantee. Bear in mind the 'lifetime' guarantee isn't actually a lifetime, but instead the estimated (by gortex) life of the item. So for your expensive item that could be 1 year or it could be 10 years. You'll never know unless you need to send it back. |
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| sabian92 wrote: | Appears you've been under a rock then. Goretex isn't the be all and end all of waterproofing. It's nice to have but it's bloody expensive. |
I've never seen good seams on non-goretex gear. That includes all the goretex clones, sheltex etc.; they might be breathable, but they don't have good seams.
Seams are the weak point of waterproof stuff. There's extra stretch there from how the garments are cut and put together, and intrinsically from how they're worn. All non-goretex gear I've examined uses a clear rubbery tape that has a different degree of flex to the material it's stuck to. In my experience, it inevitably develops "bubbles" on the seam itself, and eventually creases that work their way to the edge of the seam tape. And that's a leak.
If the tape is clear, they're really easy to see, because the tape is lighter coloured and more opaque after it has come away from the fabric.
All my goretex gear, meanwhile, use some kind of bonded fabric tape. I've not seen the same failure mode yet.
From what I know and have heard (my boss used to sell outdoors goretex gear), when you buy goretex gear you're covering the cost of higher spec machinery, higher quality QA (to meet contract requirements with Gore - a certain proportion of garments off the production line are constantly tested), a guarantee (effectively an insurance policy), and some inefficiency overheads from certification and marketing.
How much of the extra cost is down to marketing and bureaucracy etc., and how much to the actual work needed to create a consistent high-spec garment, I don't know. I do know that (a) my goretex gear is the only stuff that has actually been waterproof for any length of time, and (b) I wasted a lot more money on non-goretex gear than I spent on goretex gear in the end.
And you're right that it's not the ultimate. I have goretex lined leather gloves. Once the leather gets wet, they steam up inside. The goretex doesn't keep the damp out. They have to be paired with muffs or something similar to be effective.
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| barrkel wrote: |
I've never seen good seams on non-goretex gear. That includes all the goretex clones, sheltex etc.; they might be breathable, but they don't have good seams.
Seams are the weak point of waterproof stuff. There's extra stretch there from how the garments are cut and put together, and intrinsically from how they're worn. All non-goretex gear I've examined uses a clear rubbery tape that has a different degree of flex to the material it's stuck to. In my experience, it inevitably develops "bubbles" on the seam itself, and eventually creases that work their way to the edge of the seam tape. And that's a leak.
If the tape is clear, they're really easy to see, because the tape is lighter coloured and more opaque after it has come away from the fabric.
All my goretex gear, meanwhile, use some kind of bonded fabric tape. I've not seen the same failure mode yet.
From what I know and have heard (my boss used to sell outdoors goretex gear), when you buy goretex gear you're covering the cost of higher spec machinery, higher quality QA (to meet contract requirements with Gore - a certain proportion of garments off the production line are constantly tested), a guarantee (effectively an insurance policy), and some inefficiency overheads from certification and marketing.
How much of the extra cost is down to marketing and bureaucracy etc., and how much to the actual work needed to create a consistent high-spec garment, I don't know. I do know that (a) my goretex gear is the only stuff that has actually been waterproof for any length of time, and (b) I wasted a lot more money on non-goretex gear than I spent on goretex gear in the end.
And you're right that it's not the ultimate. I have goretex lined leather gloves. Once the leather gets wet, they steam up inside. The goretex doesn't keep the damp out. They have to be paired with muffs or something similar to be effective. |
Generally it's a case of what you pay for though isn't it? I mean expensive non-goretex stuff is obviously going to be better made than the cheap stuff but just because it isn't goretex it shouldn't mean after 6 months it's going to leak and have you turning up at work looking like a drowned rat
I'd love a set of goretex waterproofs but like you said it's expensive simply because it's expensive to make etc. Maybe one day, eh.... I've got waterproof stuff I bought with the intention of commuting through the winter but as it stands my credit check bounced and I was declined so there's a waste of money  until I can afford it outright in January at least. Still though, it is waterproof enough for now so that'll do. |
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Hydrostatic Head !!!!!!!!,
Hey Lockwood were talking Waterproofs not tents you bellend  ,
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