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Warranty expired, time to self service?
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 08 Dec 2013    Post subject: Warranty expired, time to self service? Reply with quote

Now my 2 year warrantys up, I can't decide whether or not to take the easy option and change the KTM oil and filters myself Penny Coin , or shell out Pound Coin's for a 3rd stamp in my little book from my dealer who's 40miles away. Which equates to 160miles and a week later.

Does BCF massive think service stamps count for alot come selling/trading time on newerish bikes. Or is it a negligble selling point that a receipt for some motul and filters could satisfy?

I'm not planning on trading her up for another year at the earliest, and then it would be a 3 year old 5000ish miler, but when/if i do sell, I hope to think I thought through my choices while owning.
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 08 Dec 2013    Post subject: Re: Warranty expired, time to self service? Reply with quote

SliMC wrote:
Does BCF massive think service stamps count for alot come selling/trading time on newerish bikes.
Not something that I've ever given the slightest shit about, no.
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 08 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It won't matter, keep receipts if you want but not something I care about, you just have to trust them.

At 3 years old 5K miles I'd value it at £5K or so with Akra pipe if you trade it in to a dealer maybe closer to 4 though.
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 08 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irn-Bru wrote:
It won't matter, keep receipts if you want but not something I care about, you just have to trust them.

At 3 years old 5K miles I'd value it at £5K or so with Akra pipe if you trade it in to a dealer maybe closer to 4 though.


Really, you think? I know shes supposed to hold value better than some but I'd figured i'd be lucky to get that sort of money about now Thinking

Cheers tho peeps. 4 to 1's plenty, looks like I'm ordering the bits tomorrow then Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 08 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well that's providing you change the plastics back to stock Laughing 690's hold their value very nicely, they are always in demand. I would love to be able to justify getting another one.
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 08 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want stamps just go to a decent local bike shop.

You know it doesn't have to be a dealer to keep the warranty happy?
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PostPosted: 00:07 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would prefer a self maintained bike - I'm pretty sure that the last BMW 'service' performed on my (BMW fleet) GS consisted of a stamp in the book and nothing else.

Receipts and/or pieces of the packaging in the service book, job done.
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PostPosted: 08:17 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
I'm pretty sure that the last BMW 'service' performed on my (BMW fleet) GS consisted of a stamp in the book and nothing else.


Worrying.
I've never heard great things about my dealer, but despite taking his time and stinging me, the bike did at least come back with what looked like fresh syrup in the sight glass, so I guess he pushed the boat out.

But come to think about it, it was under warranty, so it was in his interest to keep it running sweet.

Now it wouldn't be Shocked .
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PostPosted: 08:35 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Takes ~15 mins to change the oil.
Assuming your running a water cooled bike, dropping the coolant and replacing might take half hour.

Going over the bike with an oily rag and some grease on a brush shouldn't take too long, spark plug out and replaced, on you go. Easily done early morning for you to go flashing around the lanes for the rest of the day Mr. Green

Would prefer that + receipts than some dealer telling me he has done it.
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PostPosted: 09:13 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the vast majority of vehicles in long term ownership, the cost of maintaining a fully stamped service book will have been more than its residual value.
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Re: Warranty expired, time to self service? Reply with quote

SliMC wrote:
my dealer who's 40miles away. Which equates to 160miles and a week later. .


????

Ring up book service. Tell them you are waiting. Couple of hours later you are off on your way home.
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PostPosted: 10:51 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stamps 'can' make it a wee bit easier to sell.
If you are selling to a dealer then they love dealer stamps. It is purely paperwork. A dealer stamp still only 'suggests' the service was done to OEM spec.
The next best is a reputable bike shop. (Or the OEM's Competitor Dealer).

The next best is where you buy OEM parts and DIY to OEM spec.

It would even be worth it to print a check-sheet of T' Internets and fill that in too and attach sales receipts showing mileage and date of work.
If a new owner is not sure what the service work entails the check sheet can help. But then it still doesn't prove work done.

Dealers love Dealer Stamps. Private Sales Love Dealer Stamps too but bike garage stamps would pass muster.
Even DIY with sales receipts and a machine in TIP TOP condition will satisfy most discerning types.
Folk will always try to knock a few £££ off a bike without any recent accurate history. But a thorough inspection by anyone who knows anything about bikes will determine if good or bad.

The service 'really' only sort of back-up the history of the bike. It will not say if the bike was ever abused.

I would NOT touch a bike that had NON OEM stuff on it. Except Xzosts and decent tyres or proper recognised after-market accessories. I would not consider anything 'Tarted' at all.
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

as a personal thing, when i bought my blade i decided id treat it to the dealer stamp until it was at least 10 years old.

its 10 years old now and i have, but you do sometimes wonder if it was worth the cash.

i service my track bike, my dads bike myself and no bother there but it was just one of those things i decided to go dealer for the blade.

would i do it again? honestly don't know.

it does make an attractive point come sale time though. that said a wallet stuffed full of organised receipts for each service is good too.
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

supZ wrote:
as a personal thing, when i bought my blade i decided id treat it to the dealer stamp until it was at least 10 years old.

its 10 years old now and i have, but you do sometimes wonder if it was worth the cash.

i service my track bike, my dads bike myself and no bother there but it was just one of those things i decided to go dealer for the blade.

would i do it again? honestly don't know.

it does make an attractive point come sale time though. that said a wallet stuffed full of organised receipts for each service is good too.


How much did 10 years dealer service cost against the revenue added to re-sale? 20 services £1700 (Wild guess).

Dealer servicing up to a certain point can 'help' resale value but after the depreciation take over dealer service can't really be justified.

But if it is a 'peace of mind' issue then that follows different rules.
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

should have mentioned i've only had it for the last 3-4 years so i haven't been forking out since new Wink

might have been a different story if i had to but the previous owner had got it dealer serviced every year so it felt right to continue it (at least until 10 years, as mentioned)

i've probably spent £3-400 on the servicing. could have saved myself £60 a pop at a guess if i'd done it myself due to not worrying about labour so its not a huge amount really. that said, is a stamp in a book worth £60 extra a year?

depreciation wise.. mines a little different. my blade (954) is worth the same now as it was when i bought it. the joys of buying such a well regarded machine.. heh.

but yes, generally i agree one the value drops it is pretty pointless.

the irony is i can't see myself selling this bike ever.. at least not for a very long time so it's kind of a redundant reasoning that it'll look good come resale Embarassed
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:

Assuming your running a water cooled bike, dropping the coolant and replacing might take half hour.
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Took me fooking ages to do that on the SV, you have to take the front lights off etc, mega retarded.


Service yourself, whenever I do anything on my bike (normally ordered from wemoto) I just write on the receipt the date and mileage that I changed the brake pads for example.


Plus I get great satisfaction from doing all the jobs myself and have probably saved close to a thousand pounds in 2 years in labour.
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clutchy wrote:
Plus I get great satisfaction from doing all the jobs myself and have probably saved close to a thousand pounds in 2 years in labour.


Doing it yourself and knowing it's done right.

There are those who 'think' they know wot's wot though. Laughing

I just serviced my car. Air, Oil, Fuel and Cabin filters Oil changed, Doors and locks lubed, Brakes cleaned and inspected, Engine washed, inspected and re-ACF-50ed. A couple of minor things fixed but the whole lot BMW parts and Mobile Full Syn. oil £130.

I would have to pay £70 for labour at the local bodger or maybe £120 for OEM dealer but I am too tight.
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for advice. It was obviously a no brainer Embarassed. I've always done services myself on everything I've owned but thought as the bike was a bit newer maybe it might be an idea to pay a dealer, but clearly not.
It really is a big downside to warranty, the amount you have to give just to ensure its worth anything.

I'll use the genuine/recommended parts, and carry out as per KTM's specifications.
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
[stuff that mostly applies to BMWs]

EFA.
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PostPosted: 23:07 - 09 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Walloper wrote:
[stuff that mostly applies to BMWs]

EFA.


Oh very funny.

Laughing

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