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mase101
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 10 May 2014    Post subject: do bikes nee to warm up before ridden? Reply with quote

do bikes always need to warm up for a min or 2 before bein ridden?took mine out yesterday without warmin her up and it cut out down the road, had hardly any petrol so not sure if that could be why. I stopped flicked the petrol on to reserve and used choke on her, let her run for about 2 mins and she was fine after that
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 10 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, not even with a manual choke.

It may be more convenient to fire it up and then go through your rituals, but it's not necessary.
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 10 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a lot of different bits of moving metal in an engine and some expand at different rates to others. Tolerances etc. in the engine will have been designed for a running within a temperature range.

And of course if the engine has been stopped for some time, the top of the engine won't have a whole lot of oil. An engine that has been running for a couple of minutes will have had the oil pump going for a while.

Cold oil is also a bit more viscous.

Just ride more gently for the first couple of minutes. The engine is usually a bit rougher, and may need a bit more throttle to avoid stalling.
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 10 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MC wrote:
Who was it on here that crashed cos his engine spluttered as it was cold?


Sounds like a Smiler.
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PostPosted: 23:04 - 10 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know with most cars you're not supposed to. A cold engine under zero load don't burn very efficiently and can produce acidic emissions which do more damage to internals like piston rings etc. Under load (i.e. driving when cold) is not so bad for it.


Bike is probably the same. Choke should merely make the bike easier to start and run when cold, feed it back in as the engine warms up.

However ride normally and let the bike warm up fully before you cane it.
(The tyre will need to warm up too, so twice the reason to)
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 10 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 125 always felt like it didnt have any power unless it was warmed up for a couple of minutes before i set off. Not really that much of a problem if you turn it on while getting yourself ready.
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PostPosted: 23:48 - 10 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ayrton wrote:
My 125 always felt like it didnt have any power unless it was warmed up for a couple of minutes before i set off.

Because more of the energy from the fuel is going into heating up the cold engine.

But you can ride it. You don't have do. It's all good, make up your own mind.
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PostPosted: 00:51 - 11 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prefer to warm them up enough to come off choke. Choke is too many rpms for my noggin to handle in the AM.

...... that's manual choke. Automatic choke, fuck it, the computer is waaaay more clever than me at that time in the morning. Although I trust the computer to not go full skynet on my ass yo.
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 11 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best practice is to start engine and ride off
Lots don't and I don't suppose it make a big difference

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PostPosted: 11:11 - 11 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never do. I usually just take it easy for a minute or two.

The other day I forgot my phone so headed back and collected it. It's the first time I've left the house with a warm engine and I thought the bike felt a little better. I little more lively and eager.
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 11 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once started it should take only a few moments for the bike to be fit to pull away, especially in the current weather. If the bike complains when you do it the first time by bogging badly causing you to have to catch it on the clutch just leave it a bit longer next time.
Ride away gently and avoid high revs or labouring the engine until you're warmed through and you won't be doing it any harm. If you have a temperature gauge it's easy to tell when it's warmed through, otherwise you'll have to judge it by the responsiveness.
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 11 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MC wrote:
Yes, particularly with a manual choke.


Total hogwash. I start it then ride it. After about 200 meters - the choke goes in. Its a modern Japanese engine with millions spent on research and development - why would you need to warm it up like something from the 1940s Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 11 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Another vote for starting it and moving off pretty much ASAP. Some are a bit mardy when they are on the choke but normally pretty easy to ride around that (my 1200 Bandit when standard would require the choke to start when cold, but would stall at the first junction about 200 yards away if I left the choke on).

In a car I don't sometimes. I am a wuss and the heater is nice Laughing .

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PostPosted: 15:09 - 11 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

janner_10 wrote:
MC wrote:
Yes, particularly with a manual choke.


Total hogwash. I start it then ride it. After about 200 meters - the choke goes in. Its a modern Japanese engine with millions spent on research and development - why would you need to warm it up like something from the 1940s Rolling Eyes

Depends on the bike. My brothers ybr would stall at the first junction unless it had 4 minutes of warming up. Once he took it out without having it warmed up properly and he almost crashed from it cutting out as he pulled out from a junction.
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 11 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again, every bike is different, but aside from the fact I don't like annoying neighbours my fireblade in particular is better with immediate ride off. Depending on the temperature, I might need choke in a morning. If I don't start and ride off when the choke is required it would splutter to a halt after about two minutes and then it's a twat to restart after that.

So for me, choke (or not choke) and ride off tentatively, after about 1/4-1/2 mile remove choke (if it was on) and the bike is perfect.

Same with the car, start up and go.
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 11 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

My current bike is a bit of a bitch to ride straight after starting it up, so I do let it 'warm up' for a minute before riding it. Choke still has to be on for 1/2mile probably, after that it's all good.

I could ride it straight away, as I've done it a few times in the past, but with this bike it doesn't feel right - not had much of an issue with previous ones.
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 11 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to warm mine up for 2-5mins as it is gutless otherwise.
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 11 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

None of my bikes nor cars were any worse off for me pulling away immediately.
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 11 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks to everyone who replied. so the general consensus is that's a warm up is a good thing. Wotsthestory completely relate to what you said, sounds exactly the same as mine! just waiting for the nice weather to get out there!
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 11 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

mase101 wrote:
thanks to everyone who replied. so the general consensus is that's a warm up is a good thing.


No, the general consensus is ride off immediately, but take it easy (by 2 to 1).
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 11 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I usually don't. Engine on in the garage, within a minute of back-n-forthing it out onto the road i'll be away. I do take it easy for a few miles until its warmed up though, can feel and hear a little difference usually until its got warm.

My SB200 however did need warming up or it would run like a sack of spanners, but that might be because is a two stroke/old n' knackered, or both Razz not too sure.
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 11 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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