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andym
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PostPosted: 06:24 - 15 Sep 2015    Post subject: Chemical paint strippers that work? Reply with quote

Bike related question, but figured it belonged more in RB.

Since it seems the VFR is going to be off the road for a bit I figured I'd start doing all the work I planned to do over 2 years ago... 1 of the jobs is getting several layers of paint off the wheels.

I know Nitromors was shit a few years ago (have they improved it any yet?), also a couple of other strippers I've used have had worse results on gloss paint (ended up buying a heat gun for the doors).

So is there any paint strippers that actually work these days? If so anyone got any links please
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PostPosted: 07:32 - 15 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The active chemical removed from Nitromors is dichloromethane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B58GSXZg-d4

eBay can provide. You'll die, every kitten within 10 miles will explode, etc.
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 15 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paramose.

Basically old-school nitromorse. Slap it on, make a cup of tea, hose it and the paint off.

Only supplied for commercial use... in 5litre cans on ebay. You need to send a letter confirming it's for commercial use before they'll dispatch.

We have a can at work for "ahem" cleaning grafitti off the the building. Absolutely not for stripping the paint off my motorcycle parts. No sir.
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 15 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be careful with the contact time not an issue on steel but the caustic solution will etch aluminmiminmum (not sure if Mag Alloy will also suffer).

Any marks 'you add' would need to be rubbed out that's all.


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It will loosen one layer at a time normally.
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 15 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can i just add dichloromethane back into my nitromores to get the same results as paramos ?
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 15 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyberglass wrote:
Can i just add dichloromethane back into my nitromores to get the same results as paramos ?


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PostPosted: 18:12 - 15 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

hahaha ok i wont be ordering and doing this then Wink
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 15 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember the correct gloves.

I wear nitrile for the duration of the job then put on a pair of those big blue PU dipped ones when I'm actually handling the stuff.

Latex does nothing.
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PostPosted: 06:29 - 16 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Paramose.

Basically old-school nitromorse. Slap it on, make a cup of tea, hose it and the paint off.

Only supplied for commercial use... in 5litre cans on ebay. You need to send a letter confirming it's for commercial use before they'll dispatch.

We have a can at work for "ahem" cleaning grafitti off the the building. Absolutely not for stripping the paint off my motorcycle parts. No sir.


You couldn't sell me a litre could you? I have a lot of.... uh graffiti.... on my bike wheels.

Failing that I'll have a look at some of the other stuff on ebay
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PostPosted: 08:57 - 16 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

andym wrote:

You couldn't sell me a litre could you? I have a lot of.... uh graffiti.... on my bike wheels.

Failing that I'll have a look at some of the other stuff on ebay


How do you package it?

In all hnesty, it's pretty cheap to buy.

You have to fill in a form declaring you're using it for commercial use. As far as I can tell, you having filled in the form ticks the check-box on their obligations if they get audited. I did not get the impression there was going to be a spanish inquisition if you filled it in as "AndyMoto Parts Refurbishment."
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 16 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

my GF is an industrial chemist, and she blames the EU. The EU removes all of the interesting chemicals from everything. Sad
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 16 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
The EU removes anything interesting from everything. Sad


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PostPosted: 10:42 - 16 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
my GF is an industrial chemist, and she blames the EU. The EU removes all of the interesting chemicals from everything. Sad


Me too (an industrial chemist, not your girlfriend). This is why Tippex is now shit (same chemical was removed).
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 16 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
andym wrote:

You couldn't sell me a litre could you? I have a lot of.... uh graffiti.... on my bike wheels.

Failing that I'll have a look at some of the other stuff on ebay


How do you package it?

In all hnesty, it's pretty cheap to buy.

You have to fill in a form declaring you're using it for commercial use. As far as I can tell, you having filled in the form ticks the check-box on their obligations if they get audited. I did not get the impression there was going to be a spanish inquisition if you filled it in as "AndyMoto Parts Refurbishment."


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PostPosted: 17:48 - 16 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyberglass wrote:
Can i just add dichloromethane back into my nitromores to get the same results as paramos ?


It doesn't seem to lift the paint like nitromors once did, it makes it go soft so you can wipe it off with a rag.
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 16 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQtd41JcMGg

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PostPosted: 20:42 - 16 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some chap wrote:
starchem

Dichloromethane 90 to 95%

https://www.spraygunsdirect.co.uk/images/starchem-synstryp-paint-stripper-sds.pdf

stinkwheel wrote:
Paramose.

DICHLOROMETHANE 70-90%

PERSONAL PROTECTION
Arrow Self-contained breathing apparatus must be available in case of emergency.
Arrow Impermeable gloves.
Arrow Tightly fitting safety goggles. Ensure eye bath is to hand.
Arrow Impermeable protective clothing

https://www.agwoodcare.co.uk/pdf/P%20and%20V%20pdf.pdf

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PostPosted: 20:46 - 04 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wanted to remove some paint from some engine covers today.
Not wanting to spend hours with wet 'n dry, slowly removing the ends of my fingers, I decided to give some paint stripper a go.
I had some left from when I had used it previously, it hadn't worked very well and had left a lot of paint behind!
This was "Diall" brand "Paint and Varnish Remover".
I'm not going to say where I got this stuff, because, AFAIC, they're a bunch of robbing bastards!

Anyway I put each casing in a washing up bowl and covered both of them in a, thick, layer of goop.  As per the instructions, I waited an hour and recoated both parts with another, thick, layer of goop.
I left the parts for another hour then took a toothbrush to them, as per the instructions, and, believe it or not it actually worked.

I followed the exact same process last May, and, as I said 50% of the paint was still there, this time 99% of the paint had gone.

The only noticeable difference betwen the two processes, AFAICS, is that today it was wet and miserable outside.  The parts were outside all the time but under cover, the paint stripper didn't dry out, at all, today.
Previously, in warmer weather, leaving an hour between coats, the goop had started to dry.

If I need to do this again, in warmer weather, I will be covering the items with a carrier bag during the process and making sure they're in total shade!  I assume, today, that the active chemicals did not, simply, evaporate, like they must have done previously!

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PostPosted: 04:38 - 05 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is one of the parts I wanted to clean up:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/andy36586/VFR/DSC_0175_zpszfdwkike.jpg

The dichloromethane on its own was a bit crap, nitromors was worse than crap, but mixed 2:1 it worked quite well (took me 2l to figure that one out).

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/andy36586/VFR/DSC_0176_zpsg4p5rl49.jpg

And with a bit of shit rattle can painting:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/andy36586/VFR/DSC_0186_zpsvx8l54iy.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/andy36586/VFR/DSC_0196_zpsxhkidcpx.jpg

Nowhere near a half decent job, but they look a bit better than they did
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 05 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Umm. Dichloromethane is probably going to do utterly horriffic things to the structural integrity of that tyre.

Don't use it. Neutral
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 05 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Umm. Dichloromethane is probably going to do utterly horriffic things to the structural integrity of that tyre.

Don't use it. Neutral


Hasn't been near the tyre, the front wheel is going to be more interesting though as the whole thing is painted.... but the tyre needs replaced anyway
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 05 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

This stuff
https://www.screwfix.com/p/no-nonsense-paint-varnish-stripper-500ml/17091?cm_sp=Search-_-SearchRec-_-Area1&_requestid=241862#_=p

seems like it is the same that Sid describes (B&Q and Screwfix are of course "related"). I bought some today to remove ancient varnish off half a dozen solid brass door handles

QUITE IMPRESSED. Especially for a £5 relative to £41 for 4 litres of Nitromoors. The 1/2 litre size for the Screwfix gloop is also more practical. I spread the stuff over the handles, wrapped it all in ally foil and left it for a couple of hours. Opened up the foil and applied some more for an hour and ------ nice clean handles when I scrubbed all the gloop off. Needed a bit of Brillo pad to get a few final crusty bits off, but generally happy.

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