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PostPosted: 10:28 - 13 Sep 2015    Post subject: R6 Clutch Rumble/grinding/annoying bloody noise!! Reply with quote

Hello,

Read a lot of online posts about this already but cant really get a definitive answer, so hoping someone can steer me in the right direction. Current situation is below:

- 2002 Yamaha R6 with 25,000 miles on.
- Bike previously fine, well kept , oil changed very recently, passed MOT earlier this year.
- Bike now have a noise that is at the same speed as the engine and can almost be felt through the foot pegs, the noise goes away when i disengage the clutch.
- Had a second rider confirm noise (my dad) who has been riding bikes a long long time and also suspects clutch.
- If i was to describe the noise in writing it would be like bom ba dum ba dum ba dum ba dum (nah im joking Smile )

So....... what am i going to do about it, i have the haynes manual out, im scouring the internet, its currently on the side stand and ready to have the fairings removed. I am no mechanic but i can follow instructions in a Haynes manual like nobodies business Smile, past experience on bikes only goes to changing chain & sprocket, changing oil, swapping out spark plugs, checking carbs . If i need to remove the engine or do any serious work then the bike is going (paid £2200 for it, dont think i will lose to much of my money)

Going to start with the below:

- Check front sprocket on chain and ensure its actually properly in place
- I dont really want to put i am thinking of inspecting the clutch ( do i have to drain all the engine oil? damn it, i have good oil in there and i aint pouring it back in!!)

So anyone else have any suggestions? further troubleshooting i can do before i take drastic action, its sunday today and ill probably get a chance to look at it in a few days time when my wife and child allow Smile

Thanks in advance for any help
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 13 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

collapsed thrust bearing?

Old R6's use a pull style clutch/rack and pinion type thing, with a bearing behind it to take the stress when it's disengaged. This.
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 13 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ferked clutch bearing?
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PostPosted: 17:49 - 13 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

And is the clutch bearing the same as the thrust bearing? ( I will goggle it also so not asking you to do the work for me lol) the thrust bearing, after reading up sounds pretty spot on. But what exactly is a clutch bearing? Is just a generic name?
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 18 Oct 2015    Post subject: Finally got round to it Reply with quote

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Ferked clutch bearing?

So I finally got round to removing the springs and friction plates. They are fine , now there is slight movement in the clutch basket with the plates removed but it is very slight. I'm going to finish off later this week and remove the rest of the clutch hoping I find a knackered bearing or something. Any ideas?
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 24 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bump......anyone??
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 24 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had a similar thing on my ER6, it was just a loose chain, knackered sprockets and tight spots on the chain. C&S swap I'd do first, it's easy, not expensive and you've done it before.

I felt it through the foot pegs and disappeared with the clutch in.
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 24 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you check out the thrust bearing? No. 7 in this picture. That's your most likely culprit.
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 24 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

wots wrote:
Had a similar thing on my ER6, it was just a loose chain, knackered sprockets and tight spots on the chain. C&S swap I'd do first, it's easy, not expensive and you've done it before.

I felt it through the foot pegs and disappeared with the clutch in.


Thanks for the reply . I did take the front sprocket cover off and checked all that stuff, the chain has been on for maybe a couple thousand miles and regularly tightened. It does have one or two tight spots I must admit but not sure its that. I would have thought the noise would there constantly (even with the clutch disengaged) since it will still be rotating . I'm probably gonna replace the thrust washer as a matter of course and maybe even slacken the chain of a touch to see if the noise gets better or worse. Funnily enough I just over looked the chain, always the simple things Smile
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 24 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

McJamweasel wrote:
Did you check out the thrust bearing? No. 7 in this picture. That's your most likely culprit.


Thanks for the reply. How would j know that bearing is fecked? It seems to be OK or is it a case if replace it and see? I was thinking of replacing numbers 4 and 11 in this picture (taken from my Haynes manual)
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PostPosted: 06:30 - 25 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's the bearing surely it would make the noise in neutral too?

If it does it in neutral when stationary that can run out anything to do with the wheels/chain/sprockets/tyres.
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PostPosted: 09:28 - 25 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
If it's the bearing surely it would make the noise in neutral too?

If it does it in neutral when stationary that can run out anything to do with the wheels/chain/sprockets/tyres.


Haha. Cheers. The rear wheel bearing did have an advisory on its last MOT. Once the clutch is back in I'll go there next.
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 25 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

KaiserSozei87 wrote:
McJamweasel wrote:
Did you check out the thrust bearing? No. 7 in this picture. That's your most likely culprit.


Thanks for the reply. How would j know that bearing is fecked? It seems to be OK or is it a case if replace it and see? I was thinking of replacing numbers 4 and 11 in this picture (taken from my Haynes manual)


4 is the bearing that I pointed out, if you don't know how to tell if a bearing is fecked then you probably shouldn't be stripping a clutch! Razz 11 is just a washer, unless it's chewed up there's no need to replace, and if it is chewed up then you have bigger fish to fry.

If it's the bearing then it may not make the noise in neutral anyway due to the lack of load from the gearbox. However, start with the basics first.

If you know you have knackered wheel bearings then they should be your first port of call, change them before they collapse anyway.

Then chain & sprockets, tight spots can cause noise like this. Same as the bearing, they may not make the noise when the driving load is taken off, even though they are still rotating.

Now you have the clutch in bits anyway you may as well stick a new bearing in there. No point building it back up without it to road test after sorting the other issues only to find that the noise is down to the clutch after all.
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 25 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the reply. I think this gives me a clear direction in which to go. I'll replace the bearing and see how it goes, I'm wanting to sell the bike really so hoping I can get away with £0 haha although it's looking unlikely.
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 25 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the reply. I think this gives me a clear direction in which to go. I'll replace the bearing and see how it goes, I'm wanting to sell the bike really so hoping I can get away with £0 haha although it's looking unlikely.
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