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PostPosted: 14:40 - 03 Jun 2016    Post subject: Thinking of buying a bobber bike Reply with quote

I'm looking at buying a bike that's originally a 1970s z650 which has had a larger engine fitted, frame modified etc. Very good condition, has no mot but if I clean it up and mot then should get more then I put in while having a bit of fun.

Question is will moting such a thing be hard? It has no problems I see for the mot aside from having an electric speedo with no odometer so wouldn't be able to work out mileage.

How would insurance fare? Would it be a late 70s z650 with engine mods basically.
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 03 Jun 2016    Post subject: Re: Thinking of buying a bobber bike Reply with quote

Oscar777 wrote:
has no mot

Has it ever had an MOT? Ideally from the local MOT chap?
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PostPosted: 15:14 - 03 Jun 2016    Post subject: Re: Thinking of buying a bobber bike Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Oscar777 wrote:
has no mot

Has it ever had an MOT? Ideally from the local MOT chap?


Ill ask the bloke.

Will the frame numbers and engine numbers not matching be a problem you reckon?
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 03 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

No MOT but no problems with the bike?

If there were no problems then the seller would get it MOT'ed themselves. Wink
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PostPosted: 15:38 - 03 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's been MOTed in it's current form, I'd consider it.

If it's had the frame modified it is technically a radically modified vehicle and should have undergone an SVA test.

People sometimes manage to argue the toss that it's been like that since before the rule change (or actually did it that way) in which case it'll have an MOT history and the logbook will match the bike.

So if it's not been MOTed as it is or passed an MSVA, I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

To be honest, depending on the extent of frame mods, I'd want to know who had done it.

So a lot of variables.

If they're offering up a nicely finished chop in a period Uncle Bunt frame or by some other recognised chop builder then snap it up.

If some hipster has gone mental with an angle grinder in his garden shed, removed the mudguards and all the frame lugs then bolted thousands of pounds worth of EXIF fuckwittery to it, I'd walk away.
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PostPosted: 15:39 - 03 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:

If there were no problems then the seller would get it MOT'ed themselves. Wink

Seller didn't have time innit Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 03 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you do buy, post up the pics. An air-cooled IL4 in a decent bobber chassis or even a hard tail chop sounds interesting.

Would make a nice summer open roads laid back ride, in the same way as nice old lowered and customised classic cars would.
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 03 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you know the reg no, stick it into here and see if it comes up with anything. That'll tell you if it's been MOTd since about 2005.

Personally I'd be very suspicious, but then I have a fairly low opinion of most heavily customised bikes anyway.
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PostPosted: 19:06 - 03 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
Ste wrote:
If there were no problems then the seller would get it MOT'ed themselves. Wink

Seller didn't have time innit Thumbs Up

"ready for mot but will take the price of mot off the bike"

Can't say fairer than that, right? Whistle
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 03 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
Ste wrote:

If there were no problems then the seller would get it MOT'ed themselves. Wink

Seller didn't have time innit Thumbs Up


20 mins. I spend longer waiting for pizza.
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 03 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

https://www.gumtree.com/p/other-vehicles/honda-vtr-250-exceptional-grey-import-a1-licence-/1171905635

When you decide that it must have it, I will register the bike and than sell it to you with fresh MOT and road tax. Deal?

... no deal Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 03 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
https://www.gumtree.com/p/other-vehicles/honda-vtr-250-exceptional-grey-import-a1-licence-/1171905635

"A1"? Eh?

Sadly, some kid's going to buy that because Juraj sez, ride it on A1 CBT with have must is L plates just no problems.
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PostPosted: 09:09 - 04 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heres the link.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231959183419?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Sellers been less then helpful. Wont give the reg number and yea "didn't have time to MOT" Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 09:16 - 04 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Won't give the reg number because it hasn't got one.
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 04 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some chap arrived on a 'bobber' cruiser style thing when I was having my MOT done.

Chassis was modified to pieces with what looked like a hacksaw and a welder.

It had a small rounded wooden seat, and what looked like a fucking car tyre on the rear. The way it was constructed meant there was no suspension so it was just ballbag>wooden seat> road.

He bounced his bonce off just coming down the path, bellend. Laughing

Can't imagine what a pothole at 25+ would feel like Shocked
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 04 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oscar777 wrote:

Front light and... something on the rear. It needs to have a reflector, tail and brake lights and to illuminate the number plate. Alternatively, remove (maybe tape over) all the lights.

Lack of front mudguard is a C&U no-no, as is that bicycle speedo. Fine for an MOT though.

You'll need a generous chap to pass that exhaust even with baffles in. The number plate should be "fixed vertically, or as close to vertical as is reasonably practical". How secure is the fuel tank and the fillers?

Looks like it'll bottom out on any sort of bump.


Oscar777 wrote:
Sellers been less then helpful. Wont give the reg number and yea "didn't have time to MOT" Rolling Eyes

Then I'd expect it's got a mahoosive fail recorded against it. If he's got nothing to fear, etc.

I wouldn't bid on it. When his "buyer" inevitably drops out, maybe offer him what the parts are worth, after you've checked it and its documentation out in person.
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PostPosted: 09:47 - 04 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

"ready for being tested ideal project"

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PostPosted: 10:05 - 04 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder what he means by "Blue Printed Head".
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 04 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seller describes themselves as "part engineer part chopper builder".
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PostPosted: 10:54 - 04 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
I wonder what he means by "Blue Printed Head".


Prehaps someone told him abot engineer's blue and so he decided to put some in the sump....
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PostPosted: 11:06 - 04 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm fascinated by the 'tope tube conversion' - are tope tubes a variation on fish fingers?
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 04 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
its ready for being tested ideal project

Translates to 'bugger! I can't get it MOT'd'
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 04 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
I wonder what he means by "Blue Printed Head".

Stage 7 fully flowport skimmed milk, Jefferies tube are properly polished.

Ste wrote:
Seller describes themselves as "part engineer part chopper builder".


Daryll Butterworth wrote:
OP's seller Stephen Waters wrote:
Built it ages ago

And i rebuilt it properly

I wonder if he's ever successfully put a bike through an MOT?
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 04 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue print are an after market company that make stuff mainly for Jap cars
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 04 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thousand four hundred and twenty pounds for that piece of cack?!? You can get an actual motorcycle for that.
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