Wheelie Tips Needed: 1st to 2nd & Lifting it in 2nd

[Az]

Started to learn how to wheelie a few weeks ago and I can now lift my Blade up in 1st from 5k rpm all the way to red line comfortably and at a decent height...

I can't lift the front wheel in 2nd or shift into 2nd while up. When I try and shift into 2nd the bike drops by the time I slot it into 2nd. Very frustrating that it's so easy to get up in 1st & hold it, but I can't lift it in 2nd.

Any tips please, i'd appreciate it massively... I know the bike's capable, it's just me who can't get it to come up.

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[G]

Are you clutchless shifting?

Are you using the clutch to wheelie in second?

[.Bishbash.]

Not sure you'll be able to lift the front in 2nd without clutching it up. or the use of a small hill/bump/incline in the road.

But as G says, clutchless change to get to 2nd, should be a quick off throttle/change gear/back on the throttle.
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[Az]

I've been clutching it up in 1st and trying to clutch it up in 2nd.

I've not been clutchless shifting as i've always been told to not clutchless shift from 1st-2nd when riding, I assumed this applied when you're wheeling to?

[.Bishbash.]

No, you lose too much time using the clutch.

And brave man on clutch up wheelies in 1st when you're learning. Learn in 2nd pal, less risk.
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[G]

Also; you should still be able to ride out wheelies in first as first gear is fairly tall for you.

However, it won't be as smooth and slower speed means higher balance point.

[Hahadumball]

itll go up in 2nd with no clutch

find where the power kicks in

sit back a bit

get to just before the power, roll on a little just past the power then roll off a little.. then roll on hard and pull the front up.

when youre up you have 2 things to do.

from your pic youve got about 28 miles till youre anywhere near balance point which is hard sat down...

however, sitting back and pulling higher you should be able to sit in 2nd for miles... if you can do this then youre fine to click into 3rd

or..

pull it up in 2nd as it comes up go straight into 3rd and the momentum of going up will keep you up in 3rd.

source: 120mph and landed
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[Az]

[Jayy]

If you're going to shift from 1st to 2nd it needs to be timed well and seamless. If it doesn't clutchless shift well, needs to be a super fast, tiny pinch and smooth shift or you will keep flying back down to the ground.

Takes a bit of practice to get it right but once you nail it, it's easy

Keep doing it and you will get it. You also need to have the bike at a fairly high level / even BP when you do it or you will fight it trying to go back down.

Took me a while to work it out at first and now... quickshifters ftw

See from your sig it's a 954, some bikes which are heavier can be a little harder to pop up but it will do it, just need to time it and give it a bit of a hoist.

Rare I pop it in 1st gear with clutch, usually pop it in 2nd @ 70mph around 6k and then shift through the box. Pops in 3rd easily and will pop in 4th too but need to be doing about 100mph and give it a hoist.

Depends on the bike / power / etc.

[Az]

[Az]

Okaydokie, thanks for responses.

I'll keep trying to pop it up in 2nd on clutch, but first of all i'm going to try and see if I can shift it into 2nd from 1st while up. It's all very new to me, my first wheelie was about 3 weeks ago lol.

I'll get a video up soon and you can show me where i'm going wrong

Thanks all

[Hahadumball]

[Hahadumball]

[P.]

Just use 2nd gear rather than 1st.

You should easily be able to 3rd gear on a litre.

https://youtu.be/umb4GcIIH68?t=25s

This random guy with a similar name uses 3rd at nearly a ton. You can probably do similar on yours. You can even see the revs which might help. You'll want to give it more powaaaaah though. You should be able to ride out 3rd gear, I don't have proof because I don't wheelie.

[Az]

[Az]

[0l0dom0l0]

Popping the clutch in 1st, on a blade

This man is brave.

Stick it in second and learn to clutch it up from there. It's a simple case of a bigger blip, if you get it right it should be more controlled than a 1st gear clutch up.

2nd and 3rd gear wheelies are the way forward. FZ6 will clutch up in second up to about 60mph. Won't come up in 3rd. Woudn't even want to try it in 1st. Clutchless changing from 1st to second, with the front up takes some serious practice.

When I learned to wheelie, every straight bit of road I was down into second gear clutching it, just getting a feel. The wheelies weren't big to begin with but it was getting the consistent lift on the front. Literally every opportunity.

I'd recommend if you're used to the front coming up now, doing a similar thing as above. Every bit of road, give the throttle a blip and clutch in. Make sure you're relaxed and your weight is back. Use the clocks on the horizon as a good indicator that you're about right with height. If you're looking round the clocks to see where you're going its a good wheelie.

As the speed increases it becomes easier. Think I've manged to get into 4th on the back wheel now but no balance point as of yet (although I think my longest wheelie is over 1 mile)
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[Ste]

Can you clutchless shift when both wheels are on the ground?

It'll be easier to control clutching it up in second rather than using first.

[Groove]

As below, clutch it up in at least 2nd. The gsxr comes up as easy in 3rd as it does 2nd. I don't even have to piss about with the throttle in 1st to power it up, just open it up and at about 6 k up it comes.

I learnt back on my cbr 600 with powering it up in 1st then clutching it. Since the 636 I always use 2nd for clutching and power for first...seems more control able to me.

I did however think I was in 2nd on the r1 once and clutched it up as one would normally, damn thing basically smacked me in the face as I was actually in first
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[Bozzy]

How easy are wheelies to balance side to side? I ask as I have visions of falling sideways as I'm not able to correct the bars by turning them.

[Jayy]

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