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Waaarrrggghhh
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 30 Oct 2016    Post subject: Fitted xenon bulbs onto the headlamp- will it dazzle others? Reply with quote

I fitted new xenon bulbs onto the headlamp as the original ones were crap.

Is it going to be a little dangerous to other road users?
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 30 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Possibly, and it is illegal to fit HID bulbs into a headlamp which wasn't originaly designed for them.

It doesn't seem to stop many car drivers though.
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 30 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xenon bulbs and HID's are different. Xenon bulbs are just a bulb, no ballasts or remote packs.

However, there are some HID's that are marketed as "Xenon's" or similar. These are usually against C&U (IIRC) to retrofit, though it's unlikely you'll get stopped if the dibble don't want an excuse to stop you.
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 30 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xenon's/NightBreakers/SuperMegabright bulbs (basically whatever name), great do it.

HID in reflector headlights, imagine an idiot driving/riding towards you with high beams on. That's what it can be like.

HID in projector headlights, but not as factory fitted, are acceptable. On cars at least they must have auto-leveling and wash on the lights. Not sure what is accepted on a bike.
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 30 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThatDippyTwat wrote:
Xenon bulbs and HID's are different. Xenon bulbs are just a bulb, no ballasts or remote packs.

However, there are some HID's that are marketed as "Xenon's" or similar. These are usually against C&U (IIRC) to retrofit, though it's unlikely you'll get stopped if the dibble don't want an excuse to stop you.


Umm I fitted the bulb into a Yamaha YBR125, did I do something illegal?

I even bought them from Halfords.

It's also a 55W bulb, up from the previous 35W, is that going to damage the wiring?
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 30 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waaarrrggghhh wrote:

Umm I fitted the bulb into a Yamaha YBR125, did I do something illegal?

I even bought them from Halfords.


If just a bulb, then probably perfectly legal. The issue is with the Xenon HID setups.

Waaarrrggghhh wrote:
It's also a 55W bulb, up from the previous 35W, is that going to damage the wiring?


Possibly. That is an extra ~1.5 amps of current through the wiring. And when you are pulling the headlight flash you will likely also have the extra power of dip beam as well.

With modern lights the other worry is the extra heat melting the headlight lens or reflector.

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:12 - 30 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Waaarrrggghhh wrote:

Umm I fitted the bulb into a Yamaha YBR125, did I do something illegal?

I even bought them from Halfords.


If just a bulb, then probably perfectly legal. The issue is with the Xenon HID setups.

Waaarrrggghhh wrote:
It's also a 55W bulb, up from the previous 35W, is that going to damage the wiring?


Possibly. That is an extra ~1.5 amps of current through the wiring. And when you are pulling the headlight flash you will likely also have the extra power of dip beam as well.

With modern lights the other worry is the extra heat melting the headlight lens or reflector.

All the best

Katy


Right so fitting a 55W conversion kit into the bike is the illegal part.

Is it actually going to make any difference at all then to brightness, or should I swap my original bulb back in?

I feel like such a fool I spent ages doing this.
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 30 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have to ask why it didn't have a 55w bulb originally. Because it could have. That's pretty much the standard headlight bulb wattage. I'd suggest it had a 35W because it couldn't handle a 55.

Is it actually any better? Often times when you fit an overly large bulb on a small bike, it lands up dimmer than the proper one.
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Waaarrrggghhh
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 30 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
You have to ask why it didn't have a 55w bulb originally. Because it could have. That's pretty much the standard headlight bulb wattage. I'd suggest it had a 35W because it couldn't handle a 55.

Is it actually any better? Often times when you fit an overly large bulb on a small bike, it lands up dimmer than the proper one.


Yeah its a hell of a lot brighter.
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 30 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi
I did exactly the same as you've just done and found that because I don't do large millage ( under a couple of miles each way to work ) it didn't keep the battery charged enough and a fortnight down the line was left with no power to start my bike.

I went for a halogen type at 35w from halfrauds , better than the standard.

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PostPosted: 22:00 - 30 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

As said, if it's just a bulb, then you're fine. It's the actual HID conversions that are against C&U regs to retrofit. Couple that with an L plate, and coppers will be all over you like a rash.

I have a much better bulb (Osram Nightbreaker), installed on a light that was designed for a 35W bulb. If you fit the higher power bulbs, you really need to fit a cutoff/power switch for low beam, as YBR's don't have switchgear on the right hand bar, and low beam is on if the engine is running. You won't melt the wiring, but if you get a long set of lights on red, you may well melt your reflector. It's fine when moving, but a cheapy/plastic reflector will get messed up quick sharp at a standstill. It's why I am waiting on parts to put a new headlamp on, because the part of the reflector directly above the bulb has been very heat affected.
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 30 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waaarrrggghhh wrote:
Right so fitting a 55W conversion kit into the bike is the illegal part.

Is it actually going to make any difference at all then to brightness, or should I swap my original bulb back in?

I feel like such a fool I spent ages doing this.


No, the 55W is perfectly legal (think 60W is the max, although there is some limit based on actual illumination). A 55W bulb is likely to be quite a bit brighter, but will use more power and also generate more heat.

The problem is the HID kits. These don't use a normal filament bulb, rather generate a bright light as an electric arc (and as such the source of light is in a slightly different position, hence the beam isn't properly controlled by a reflector and lens designed for a filament bulb). These have a large ballast unit which you need to add as well. They actually use less power but are a hell of a lot brighter.

All the best

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