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stryker
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 13 Nov 2004    Post subject: loobman experience Reply with quote

Ok, so I fitted my loobman today.

https://www.loobman.com

I'm by far no perfectionist, however I came so close to not fitting this little doo-hicky. Attaching something to my bike using a piece of wire coathanger and wire ties just felt so WRONG!

The shaping of the wire coathanger and positioning of the loob dispenser on the rear sprocket drove me mad. It took several goes before I was happy that the applicator would be secure on the sprocket.

I put the oil bottle up near my handle bars. This seems to have an unexpected advantage. Firstly it helps gravity do its job on taking the oil down to the sprocket, secondly it means the oil tube is going front to back so when I ride the "G"s I pull makes sure there is max oil flow when its needed, aka when riding. Thirdly, the oil bottle is above the radiator and the oil tube runs past the engine, meaning in the cold weather when oil turns to treacle, the engine's heat warms it and helps it flow when its most needed.

At this time its on parole. I want to see how it fairs over time. All I can say now is that my rear sprocket has a nice film of oil on it, where as before it looked rather dry with oil soaked dirt stuck too it. My chains looks nicely oiled too.

Pictures will follow shortly.
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 13 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the feeder bottle.

https://www.project-snafu.co.uk/images/fzr600/oil1.jpg

And here is the applicator over the rear sprocket. It puts oil to both sides.

https://www.project-snafu.co.uk/images/fzr600/oil2.jpg
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 13 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool. I intended to put mine on this weekend, but due to other problems Rolling Eyes haven't been able to. Interested to see how you get on with it Thumbs Up Fitting doesn't seem to have been too problematic, but I do see what you mean about the coathanger bit Very Happy
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 13 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would be interested to hear how it's working after a month or so. Am interested in getting one at some point.

Not sure how they'd manage wheelies, stoppies and other abuse though.
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PostPosted: 17:11 - 13 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this one better than Scottoiler? This looks simpler. This one is manual right: you have to "oil" it yourself?

How much?

I'm kinda getting annoyed with the chain wax... Confused Thinking about upgrading somehow...
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 13 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

RatBikeZone wrote:
# cheap auto chain oiler - use a model aircraft fuel tank, (or small moped 2 stroke oil tank) pipe to a car in line fuel filter (IMPORTANT) to a car fuel injector (mine is off an XR3i) wired to a switched live (and earth...). This goes to a aquarium air flow bubble adjuster (99p for two in petworld) to the chain like a scottoiler. When the bike is switched on, the fuel injector fires and allows oil to drip on the chain - when the bike is off, it stops the flow. Pure gravity only. Adjust for 1 drop every 30 seconds and use hypoid 75 /80 /90 oil. 25,000 miles so far on an X ring chain on a big bang TDM 850 with nitrous oxide. Usual zip ties / gaffa tape / red crimps apply Wink Mail me for further info if you want. [Guy - guy-ratbike@dewdney.co.uk - UK]


If i had myself a chain drive bike this is what i'd be doing! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:05 - 14 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firstly, its not a scotoiler. Its a loobman and sells for £16.99. Its a lot for what you get but then again so it the scotoiler, its the idea your paying for.

Unlike the scotoiler this one does not have a valve to control oil flow (off the carb). You simply give the bottle a squeeze every 50-100 miles or so. I wanted to spend less while seeing how well it works so lubeman was ideal.

The instructions are crap, however the idea with the coat hanger is to bend it in such a way, that when its wire tied to the trailing arm it won't twist or turn. You really don't want the oil applicator getting pulled into your sprocket and chain.

Its pretty secure, I was not going to be happy unless it was showing no signs of movement in any direction, hence why I nearly gave up, it took several goes to get it the way it is.
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PostPosted: 03:29 - 15 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scottoiler or Loobman, that is the question... Question

Whats better? hehe
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PostPosted: 04:03 - 15 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

A well adjusted Scottoiler is priceless.....22.5k on the original chain so far, and it's only just starting to suffer. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:31 - 15 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd have to say scotoiler I guess, as its automatic. It uses the vacuum or somesuch off your carb to operate a valve that ensures oil only flows when the bikes being ridden.

Then again gravity and G-forces seem to be doing the same on my loobman.
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 15 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

stryker wrote:
I'd have to say scotoiler I guess, as its automatic. It uses the vacuum or somesuch off your carb to operate a valve that ensures oil only flows when the bikes being ridden.

Then again gravity and G-forces seem to be doing the same on my loobman.


Who really wants to start drilling holes in their carburettor? I know I don't. A simple system where the oil will start to drip when the ignition is on would do me fine.
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 15 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

mchaggis wrote:
Who really wants to start drilling holes in their carburettor? I know I don't.


Hi

You should not need to. Just plumb it into one of the take offs for vacuum gauges. This should be fine on 90% of large bikes (not the VFR400 though).

All the best

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PostPosted: 14:05 - 15 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

The scotoilers come with a T-piece so you can splice into the vaccuum tube for the fuel tap which is even easier than trying to get on one of the balancing ports.
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 15 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like I said on the other thread. At this time the oil (whatever is in the pipe) only seems to come through when the bike is running.... (vibration, gravity, Gs?): so why complicate things.

However, I get the impression that this summer, the heat may thin the oil and make the loobman more messy.
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PostPosted: 16:04 - 15 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Webmaster @ RBZ wrote:


dangerous Loobman malfunction
Mon Nov 15 2004 9:47 GMT; 80.168.24.97
Yesterday on the way home from one of the potential Rat & Survival sites, my Loobman threw out all its oil in something like 10 miles. Which lead to the left side of my rear tyre being liberally coated in oil, and if I wouldn't have been on a motorway I'm pretty sure I'd have lowsided in the first proper left hand bend.

On closer inspection it appears that there wasn't much of an air gap in the catch tube, so the oil running down the lines just kept drawing more oil out of the bottle..... no idea why though, the setup been on my bike for nearly a year? maybe I disturbed the tube arrangement when I squeezed the bottle?

So: Loobman users, watch that airgap!

S.


Sounds allot of money for a bottle and some tubeing with a drip controll at the end :/

The problem with chain oilers is the majority of the oil will be flicked off allover the place, i can't imagine they are super efficient at the best of times Sad
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 15 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

mchaggis wrote:

Who really wants to start drilling holes in their carburettor? I know I don't. A simple system where the oil will start to drip when the ignition is on would do me fine.


Wotcha.

Here's a couple of ideas.

The Guy oiler

Sight glass drip feed oiler
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 15 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose the other thing with a loobman is that it comes with a double sided injector. I have never tried but I would reckon you could use the injector with a scotoiler without too many problems.

I am not sure how much a dual injector costs for a scotoiler but I bet it is about the same as buying a whole loobman.
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PostPosted: 09:28 - 16 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

The loobman is pretty inventive. IE the final delivery of oil to the sprocket uses cut off cable ties! so when it wears out you can easily replace the 'tongues'.

But man did it look cheap when it arrived, looks marginally better when fitted. Laughing

Yes in your collector tube on the side of the bottle, no air gap means it WILL continue to draw oil from the bottle as the bottle is sealed.
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PostPosted: 08:37 - 17 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've used one, The instructions were poor and the fitting was fiddily but worked very well when properly fitted. Wheel doesnt get anymore messy than my Scotoiler, Certainly cleaner than Chainwax/oil (not to mention 100times easier to clean). I used cheap engine oil and worked perfectly, Didnt seem any worse in the Winter or Summer in regards to flow

I did 8,000miles and the cable ties used as oil feeders had only just started to wear down, But a few cable ties dont cost much do they Smile

It's cheap, It's quite difficult to fit but it works. It's cheaper to buy and cheaper to run than a Scotoiler.
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 17 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that users report. Thumbs Up

I did my first long run with it on today (my 30 mile trip to work). There was a little spot of oil where I parked my bike here at work, but then again I had given it a fairly generous squeeze of the bottle. I get the impression there was already plenty of oil in the pipe.

Happy so far.
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