Getting the back out

[Rookie]

Can any of you get the back out under braking, ie you let the back wheel skip on the ground a bit and the back wheel kicks out a bit.

Always thought it looked really cool, the guy on Fifth Gear on the GSXR did it farily well. But then it looks like a risky thing to do, I imagine it's easy to take it too far and highside.

Anyone out there able to do it?

[Lee_367]

Did it on a supermoto at the bike show, all you had to do was drop 2 gears and dump the clutch going into the corner, i don't know if its any different with a sportsbike though.
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[numark1]

I did it a few times on my road bike and it shit me up, too much back brake and downshifting.

MX it's a whole differnet story.

[phantomtek]

I did it too much once, and the whole bike shifted sideways then back again. I thought I was going to stack it, be careful.

[Rookie]

I don't plan on doing it - not yet anyway I was just wondering whether it's something you can intentionally do, though mostly for show.

[johnsilva]

dead easy

as you're crashing down the gears from say, very fast, stick it in first as soon as possible, let the clutch out and lean over, that will get the back out nicely, i speak from experience, this works


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[mrchips]

My AR125 was great for throwing the tail out in the wet.


Your best bet is a supermoto though, was having a look at the marshalls at the bike show they were rear braking it its way round corners.
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[dainesefreak]

Usually on fast B roads when I giving it some, the back end just lifts under braking and engine braking if I've banged it down a gear on the entry to a tight corner.

Spinning the rear up is fairly easy under acceleration on the way out too if you're fairly heavy handed on the throttle. I can be easy to find yourself over cooking it to the point of no return. It's not something I would personally try to practice too often because I don't think I'm that talented and have very expensive plastics!

[Barry_M2]

I loved doing it when I had the 750, was quite easy to control the back. Its much harder on my little 250 now as its a bit to light so it all happens alot faster. I quite like backing into slow corners, most drivers tend not to stick to close to you after you do that in front of them. Quite liked spinning the rear up too when it was wet, but only to 3rd gear.

I've tried it a couple of times on the 250, but its no where near as easy as it was on the ZXR750. Takes a while to get used to it, and if I'm honest, the first time I 'rear wheel steered' was by accident, went a little to hot over a bridge and the roundabout the other side was closer than I expected , after that I sort of thought, well, that wasn't so scary, so started to practice it. Not like I do it all the time, but its nice to know how far you can take it if you do go in a little too hot!

[mrchips]

Think what you want is one of these
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[SoND]

I've had the back kick out quite a few times.

When I started riding I sometimes had the clutch in going round corners and it kicked it out a bit, quickly learnt to not do that.

From pushing too hard it's slid out on me a few times, in the wet, but I've managed to ride them through, almost all of the times.

Can't see myself doing it with the brake.
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[Rookie]

You seem to be missing the point mrchips..or maybe I am, I don't know.

I'm not saying I want to do it, actually the thought of doing it scares the gu-jesus out of me. Don't like unstable cornering at the best of times. I just saw it on a few track races like on Fifth and Top Gear, and wondered if it was something that is widely practised.

[colin1]

like lee, i did it at the supermoto track at the nec too but i wasnt much good.

I think you should do it by downshifting and engine brakeing as if you try to do it with the back brake you can lock the back wheel and lose it. At least thats what the guys on the supermoto track at the nec said.

Its something you use on sharp corners that you would normally take slowly. You get the back out so that you are starting the turn early and pwoering out of the corner.
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[Rookie]

Yeah I thought that might be the advantage, so not really somthing that need apply on the roads.

[colin1]

it would be quite handy in town on 90degree sharp corners but would probably be classed as reckless driving.

As it is, taking the racing line around a 90 degree sharp corner in town while maintaining the speed limit, would fail you a riding test, but doing it 10mph faster by backing it into the corner wd be seen as naughty.

My scooter has a lot of weight at the back so can swing out quite easily in the wet so maybe i shd do it with as its easier to contrl rear brake with left hand rather than right foot, but i dont think it wd be very safe really.
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[colin1]

not quite sure i understood that

it either meant

1)i think thats bollock, no one could go round a corner with the back sliding out and control it on roads with traffic. it cant be done its bollocks to claim it can be

or
2)i think thats unsafe and shdnt be discussed
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[haGGard]

Looks pretty hard and i wouldnt want to give it a try. The guy on the R1 on Bendys video of 'Streetfighter Sunday 2004' at the Ace cafe does it on a public road and look pretty impressive too
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[colin1]

true i guess, but it wd be kind of cool

i used to like doing it on my bmx on grass
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[Biker-Kev]

Yeah, sometimes do it if there is a hot bird watching, O/J

but yeah can do it, but not something i do too often mind you
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[dainesefreak]

For me, it's not something that I try to do on purpose, it sometimes happens on a fast ride because of the nature of the bike/riding style. It's something that, when it does happen, I try to control and ride through not encourage the bike into. As I said before, I have very expensive new plastics and don't try to perform circus tricks in any shape or form.

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