No cotter pin?

LustyLew · World Chat Champion Joined: 19 Apr 2004 Karma :

Just tighened the chain on the bandit for the first time last night. According to the service book you have to remove the cotter pin and replace, I was going to use an R pin instead. However, there is no hole in the axle for the pin to go through! Shocked

I would have thought this is pretty dangerous, especially if the rear nut decides to loosen itself.

Would somethigng like thread lock do the trick?
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Superlight · Nitrous Nuisance Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Karma :

Hello mate,

I don't think I'd use thread lock on an axle bolt, you'll be undoing it too often (if you adjust your chain as often as you should Wink

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I would've said that if the bolt is tightened to the correct torque and the washer's in good condition, it should be fine. A lot of bikes don't have pins anyway.

BTW - You say there's no hole in the axle, but do you have a castellated nut? If not, they probably changed the design, and the handbook wasn't updated.
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ancientd · Renault 5 Driver Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Karma :

Surely you mean a Split pin? a cotter pin is something else, it actually locks into the shaft in which it sits and is usually locked in place with a nut of its own. Many bikes don't use a split pin and have a self locking type nut, but if you should have one it really ought to be replaced.
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BlackSheep · Trackday Trickster Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Karma :

The bandit does not have a split pin , the rear axle is torqued up instead , on the 1200 it is torqued to 100 Nm , i don't know what it should be for 600 , you will need to check the manual.
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ancientd · Renault 5 Driver Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Karma :

A cotter pin is a tapered pin that is pulled into a shaft and fitments combination to lock the fitment to the shaft and is locked in place by a nut on a thread on the small end of the pin, as in the old style pedal cycle pedals. The split pin simply goes through the shaft and is opened up to prevent anything that is on the shaft moving past the pin, also used in conjunction with a castellated nut to prevent the nut from turning. They are two totally different things, well in the UK at least.
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Kris · World Chat Champion Joined: 03 Feb 2002 Karma :

You worry too much Laughing

Just do the axle bolt up nice and tight and you'll be fine. The Bandit isn't a bike I'd worry about things like that on matey Thumbs Up

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ancientd · Renault 5 Driver Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Karma :

Sorry, I'll bow to your obvious more experience in this matter and not argue, but I'll still call them by the right name that I've called them by for over 50 years.
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mchaggis · World Chat Champion Joined: 10 May 2004 Karma :

If it is supposed to take 100Nm, I don't really think that overtightening it is really likely to be that much of a concern for him, unless he's jumping on the wrench. Smile

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MikeH · Brolly Dolly Joined: 10 Dec 2005 Karma :

Sorry had to check Rolling Eyes

and it surprised me.

Definition of a Cotter Pin

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I must admit I've always called the tapered pins in the pedals of a pushbike cotter pins, and the pin for a castlated nut a split pin.

Done my chain tonight and the split pin snapped so will have to get one tomorrow, rather be safe than sorry.

Mike
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LustyLew · World Chat Champion Joined: 19 Apr 2004 Karma :

There's only one person on this forum who's allowed to torque my nuts. I'm afraid it's not you. Razz

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ancientd · Renault 5 Driver Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Karma :

It would be of more interest if it was a British site but it's American, hence my comment about in the UK. In America a split pin is called a Cotter pin and the terminology is spreading to the UK, but it don't make it right.
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MikeH · Brolly Dolly Joined: 10 Dec 2005 Karma :

Spot the Difference Question

Cotter Pins

Split Pins

Even UK suppliers are confused what hope do we have Laughing

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ancientd · Renault 5 Driver Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Karma :

No chance at all.
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www.125power.com · Crazy Courier Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Karma :

There is a difference.....you know when you fit a split pin and then months later need to remove it but the ends are all fucked up and knotted and you have no idea how? Takes ages of prying with screwdrivers and pulling with long nose pliers.
Well the latter is a cotter pin because its all knotty and shitty bit like when a girl has a head full of cotter's not a nice thing i must say Laughing

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