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V4
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 12 Jun 2006    Post subject: GEARBOX RATIOS Reply with quote
I have my gsxr 750 srad and now have a gsxr 600 bottom end of the same year to put on my top end (I fucked mine up)

I know both bottom ends are identical apart from the ratios in the gearbox, anbody know if I'm looking at much of a diference? I'm guessing they'll be shorter gears, It's got all the ratios in the haynes but it means nothing to me

Any advice appreciated, cheers

Leon
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V4
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 12 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
On closer inspection I reckon this should be in workshop, someone move it for me? Thumbs Up ta

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0ddball
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 12 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
This is a pretty good caluculator. Just plug the numbers in and it will work everything out for you.

https://www.xs4all.nl/~ator0437/gc/gc_main.htm
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V4
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 12 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Was about to, but there's no option for my bike or year Evil or Very Mad how queer Thumbs Down

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sickpup
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 12 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Swop the gears over then no problem.
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 12 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
V4 wrote:
Was about to, but there's no option for my bike or year Evil or Very Mad how queer Thumbs Down

Leon


That's why you have to put the numbers from your manual in Rolling Eyes Surely you can do that!
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 12 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
SpannerMonkey wrote:

That's why you have to put the numbers from your manual in Rolling Eyes Surely you can do that!


Put in numbers, put in oil. Nope can't do that. Twisted Evil
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V4
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 12 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
No I meant it doesnt list my model or year, do i just ignore that bit then?

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DUCMANs
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PostPosted: 18:10 - 14 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
V4 wrote:
No I meant it doesnt list my model or year, do i just ignore that bit then?

Leon


Now it does... (Both the '98 600 and the '98 750).

I did not have time to compare the combination of the 600 gearbox and the 750 bike to an all stock 750 but I will tomorrow and post the results here.

Regards, Jean
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Sephiroth
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PostPosted: 19:07 - 14 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
I can't get that gear link thing to work.

Apparently my bike will do 1080 mph in 6th gear...
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 14 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
SpannerMonkey wrote:
This is a pretty good caluculator. Just plug the numbers in and it will work everything out for you.

https://www.xs4all.nl/~ator0437/gc/gc_main.htm


Use this link instead

https://www.xs4all.nl/~ator0437/gc/

Will give you a help bar on the side.

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Sephiroth
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 14 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Does this seem right? Rolling Eyes

Suzuki Bandit 400
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 14 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sephiroth wrote:
Does this seem right? Rolling Eyes

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I think primary drive ratio needs to be "1.95"
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Sephiroth
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 14 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Top speed ends up as 5xxxmph Shocked
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0ddball
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 14 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
The gear ratio's should be in the form

2.51 / 1
2.03 / 1
1.85 / 1
ect

The primary drive ratio needs to be looked up on the net or in the manual. For e.g, my gpz was 2.662

Tyre size, max revs and sprocket sizes are self explainatery.

Chain pitch :

420 = 0.5"
425 = 0.5"
428 = 0.5"
520 = 0.625"
525 = 0.625"
530 = 0.625"
630 = 0.75"

And the chain links, it should say in your manual.

Pretty simple once you get the hang of it and pretty much spot on according to my sat nav.
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DUCMANs
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 14 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sephiroth wrote:
Does this seem right? Rolling Eyes

Suzuki Bandit 400


Well actually it doesn't....
The gears are ok, you can either enter "37 & 11" or "3.363 and 1" because 37 divided by 11 is the same as 3.363 divided by 1.

The primary drive ratio can only be entered as a number so in your case 87/44 = 1.954.

Also you swaped the front and rear tooth count. You should enter "14 / 47" and not "47 / 14".

The tire size should be entered as 180 / 55 / 17, meaning:
Tire width = 180 mm, Tire height = 55% of width, Rim diameter = 17 inch. I know this is confusing but that is what manufacturers put on their tires now.

Doing all that with the numbers you supplied, results in:

https://www.xs4all.nl/~ator0437/Images/Bandit400.jpg

If you mail me all data (see Helpfiles) I'll add your bike to the presets.

Regards, Jean
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V4
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 14 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hmmm, my gsxr 750 with a 600 gearbox results in 185mph top end Question

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V4
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 14 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
No it doesn't, I fucked it up Smile

Looks about right now

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DUCMANs
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 15 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
V4 wrote:
No it doesn't, I fucked it up Smile

Looks about right now

Leon


It does if it looks like these screen shots:

First = Gear ration 600 gear box
Second = '98 GSX-R750 with 600 gearbox
Third = Stock '98 GSX-R750

When comparing your current (stock ?) 750 to the one withe the 600 gearbox, you will lose about 9 mile topspeed. Also there are minor differences in speed at certain RPM and gears. If the 600 gearbox can handle the power of a 750, I would not worry to much about it.

Regards, Jean

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V4
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PostPosted: 17:56 - 15 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Quality! Cheers for that, Just gotta wait & see how it feels now.

Just out of interest, are these top speeds taking wind resistance into account?

Leon
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 15 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
No, they are theoretical. If you're bike would rev to the limiter in top, that is the speed you'd be doing. But of course it won't with standard gearing.
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DUCMANs
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 16 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
V4 wrote:
Quality! Cheers for that, Just gotta wait & see how it feels now.

Just out of interest, are these top speeds taking wind resistance into account?

Leon


Like SpannerMonkey said, they are theoretical.

BTW, you could get your topspeed back by changing the rear sprocket to 42 teeth. This would result in the following speed/RPM/Gear matrix:

When you compare this to stock 750 matrix (see 2 messages up), there is barely a difference at all Razz

Regards, Jean
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V4
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 16 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ah smashing Smile

I take it I'd be ok chain length wise? Taking 2 teeth off the rear?

Can't bloody wait to get my bike sorted Very Happy

Leon
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DUCMANs
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 17 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
V4 wrote:
Ah smashing Smile

I take it I'd be ok chain length wise? Taking 2 teeth off the rear?

Can't bloody wait to get my bike sorted Very Happy

Leon


2 teeth off means moving the rear wheel 0.34 inch (8.55 mm) away from the front sprocket. I don't know if you have that range right now, you will have to check that.

Regards, DUCMANs
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V4
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 17 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ah should be fine, I was about half way with a fucked chain and a 44t rear Thumbs Up Cheers

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