*urgent* (sort of) indicator relay box

[Essex_Mike]

hi, i think i may have found the problem with my indicators that i spoke about on a different post.

i was looking for the indicator realy box. looking in my haynes manual to locate it. found it on the bike. well, the problem is - ITS NOT THERE. the clips where it is spose to be are there.

so is there a possibility, even if its a slim one. thats the indicator relay box could fall off? sounds stupid as from my haynes manual it looks like the clips are sturdy enough to hold it there. but could anyone get back to me on this quickly.


cheers, Mike
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[Gradog]

I think it very unlikely. You would have three wires dangling if it did.
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[Essex_Mike]

ok, i have just checked again, and can't see it anywhere
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[carsounds_dan]

is there any wires there? because if there is, one will be a perminant live which u do not want shorting out, there should also be an earth, an input (from the switch) and an output.

dan
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[Jebus]

dont think it could of fallen off since it would have just hung on the wires, its pretty odd may have to get down to a breakers yard to get a new one.
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[Essex_Mike]

the only loose wires around under the seat are like little plugs, but none of em are right shape to connect into each other. and i think they were disconnected by past owners.
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[carsounds_dan]

those plugs will go onto the relay box, go to the breakers in the morning. check all your fuses aswell coz it could have knocked one of them out if its "fallen out"
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[Essex_Mike]

ok, well i can't see it being the fuse. as the tzr of mine only has one. and would mean all my lights getting knocked out wouldn't it?


edit: to make it easier to describe these plugs i'll take a pic of them tomorrow and post it on here. easier than explaining tbh and giving you the rong details.
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[carsounds_dan]

yes, sorry maybe i wasnt clear..
the indicators not working will most probably be due to the relay box, but when it came out it maybe have blown a fuse on its way out so that when u put a new one in it wont work... but due to ur bike i doubt that is the case
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[Essex_Mike]

yeh i'll just post a pic of these plugs tomorrow. is alot easier than explaining what they look like etc.
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[Essex_Mike]

right, unfortunatly my digital camera has decided to fuck up. so below is a rough drawing tot he shape of the disconnect plug i found.

cheers, mike
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[finpos]

"Could be"

Have you got a multimeter or a wiring diagram? it's really hard to know without having access to one or the other.

There is another way, but it might involve sparks and things melting.

finpos.

[Essex_Mike]

i do, but not on my computer, in the haynes manual it says the relay is under the seat between the oil and the coolant. which is where i found that "L" shaped plug.

but there was another 2 plugs, but they were disconnected when i got the bike a few weeks back when it was running fine.
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[finpos]

Well, check the wiring diagram, it will be able to tell you the colour of the wires (and how many wires) go to the indicator relay. Then check the connector you found, see if it matches.

Simple enough!

finpos.

[Essex_Mike]

didn't think of that, and yeh, color of wires do match up.

cheers. i have managed to find a used relay. tho not realy sure how much it will cost me to get it done at garage as they said they were unable to quote me a price?
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[stinkwheel]

That could be it, you do get two terminal flasher relays and the terminals are at right angles to one another.

Does your terminal block look like it would fit on this? (which is a universal 6 volt flasher relay, you would want a 12v one but they look identical)
https://cat.cip1.com/gfx/VWC-111-953-185-B.jpg

EDIT. What colour are the wires attached to the terminal block you have? If one is blue and the other grey, it is definately for the flasher relay. If not, it still might be.

[Essex_Mike]

yes, the plug part does have identical placed slots. i have found someone on ebay selling one. i hoping to get it there and fit it myself, as i don't fancy spendin mor money at a garage when i might be able to do it meself.


is there any tips when fitting the relay? as i read somewhere, that by fitting it, i could blow the fuse. not totaly sure if this was for the relay though.

cheers, Mike
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[finpos]

Flasher units tend to be pretty standard things and the two pin ones cost buttons, e.g. this page:

https://www.vehicle-wiring-products.co.uk/VWPweb2000/relays/relays.html#gen443

You might be able to get one from a local electrical motor factors.

Genuine dealer part will cost you more.

Lets face it, if it's missing, that's what is probably causeing the problem!

Expect a garage to charge you 10 mins labour (15 quid) to plug it in for you.

finpos.

[stinkwheel]

[Essex_Mike]

cheers you've been great help.

is that a reliable site to buy from?

cheers, mike
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[finpos]

I've bought tons of stuff off them - never a problem.

I think what you will want is Ref. WRE02. The "2 x 8-10W" refers to the type of bulb it will drive, so to confirm it's the right one take a look at one of your indicator bulbs, I'm pretty sure it will be a 5W or 10W bulb. (5W may not be a problem cos you need to add in the wattage of the repeater bulb on the dash as well)

You'll need to ring the guy up as well to confirm that it is a 2 pin flasher - I can't tell from his crappy picture!

finpos.

[Essex_Mike]

sorry bout that shit picture of mine.

in the haynes manual it says my bulbs are 12V 21W.
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[finpos]

In that case, WRE04 is what you're after.

(I was refering to the crappy picture on the website )

finpos

[Essex_Mike]

to finpos, stinkwheel

cheers for ya help.

very appreciated.
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