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Itchy
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Define high mileage Reply with quote

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But for different kinds of bikes and I mean not rebuilt engines whats high mileage? ,

for commuters/courier bikes I think anything over 100K is high mileage

For super sports I like to think 25-35 k is high milage (nearing a major an expensive service),

for everything else it falls in between this.

Though alot of people think my 60+K is high for an NTV its not even run in yet.

Any thoughts?

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PostPosted: 13:10 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

for my bikes they are all quite high:

thunderace: 54k
Firestorm: 65k
FJR: 56k

all running well, apart from the FJR's gearbox

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PostPosted: 13:21 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

feef wrote:
for my bikes they are all quite high:

thunderace: 54k
Firestorm: 65k
FJR: 56k

You missed the 16k on the DR... That's high for an off-road 'bike.

According to dealers, a 'bike with >10k miles is hard to sell as people think of it as high mileage - much like 100k miles on cars.

My Y2K Fazer 600 has just under 42k miles on the clock, and it's doing fine. Unfortunately, because of the mileage, it's worth slightly less than bugger all Sad

On the plus side, those of us that know 'bikes are fine with higher mileages can get some right bargains - can't they, Feef? Smile
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

KTM Gordo wrote:
On the plus side, those of us that know 'bikes are fine with higher mileages can get some right bargains - can't they, Feef? Smile


oh quite right.. as long as you know they've been reasonably well maintained. It's still a bit of a lottery, but when you can pick up bargains, the money you can save will easily cover any repairs you need to do, and if you know what you're doing, they are well worth the risk.

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PostPosted: 13:30 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

KTM Gordo wrote:
My Y2K Fazer 600 has just under 42k miles on the clock, and it's doing fine. Unfortunately, because of the mileage, it's worth slightly less than bugger all Sad

On the plus side, those of us that know 'bikes are fine with higher mileages can get some right bargains - can't they, Feef? Smile



give you a shade less than bugger all for it Very Happy
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

KTM Gordo wrote:
According to dealers, a 'bike with >10k miles is hard to sell as people think of it as high mileage - much like 100k miles on cars.


Exactly what I think.

16k is usually a major service for an inline 4 engine (don't know about v-twins), so people tend to sell there bikes around 12k so they don't have to fork out for the major service. Well thats what I was told by someone who works at Honda Chiswick.

I usually cover 12k miles a year and my old honda had 26k on it when I sold it, but it ran absolutly fine.

I have hurd of Bandits doing 75k and BMW GS's doing over 100k.

Whats the adverage life span of an inline 4 engine? Thats with regular service's and fairly well looked after.

I don't really know what a motorcycle engine is capable of doing distance wise. So not sure what would be high milage.
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

My GS500 Finally gave up near the 100k mark, and had years of neglect i would imagine...

my bandit has only 7k on it...
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Project9928 wrote:
I don't really know what a motorcycle engine is capable of doing distance wise. So not sure what would be high milage.


the FJR 1300 service schedule lists services up to 500,000km

(doesn't mention broken gearboxes tho Evil or Very Mad )

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PostPosted: 14:04 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

When i'm looking at second hand bikes, i'm instantly put off once I see a bike above 20,000 miles.

Obviously this is dependant on the bike. If I saw a Bandit with 40,000 miles, I would probably consider it. If it was a sportsbike and it has 15,000 on it, I would need to be persuaded. Smile
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont see the problem with high mileage, as long as its been well serviced etc
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's the problem I'd consider about 40,000 miles for a Thundercat or ZZR to be quite high as that's when the gearbox 2nd tends to go.

I've seen a 20,000 mile thundercat in a dealers for £2k and I really want it but the gearbox puts me off.
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mileage doesn't bother me in the slightest, I go for the overall condition of the bike/car, mechanically and cosmetically.

As long as its looked after then mileage shouldn't be an issue.

100K miles on a car is nothing at all on the modern day engines, but for some reason it seem to have stuck over the years.
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barry_MC21 wrote:
100K miles on a car is nothing at all on the modern day engines, but for some reason it seem to have stuck over the years.


My last peugeot diesel had 426,000 miles on the clock, went fine until the clutch started to go.

My CB-1's coming up for 60,000 miles and still runs sweet.
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Bikes we have at the moment with highish mileages. FZ750 has 68k, 1200 Bandit has 55k, FZR600 has 48k, GPZ500 about the same, ZZR600 has about 35k.

Mileage alone doesn't really bother me, but I would expect the bike to be cheaper because of it. There are some bikes which have known likely issues at certain mileages (early GPZ500 has about 20k per flywheel, ZZR600 seems to manage about 30k before 2nd gear screws up), but generally nothing too nasty.

Bigger problem is how they have been treated, and to an extent age for some items. For example, the 6 pot calipers used on various Kwaks and Suzukis do not seem long lived, and although not difficult to clean up the bill for 12 pistons and their seals is a silly amount.

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PostPosted: 18:19 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

50-125cc if its two stroke anything at 15k i wouldnt touch, especially 'sports' bikes like the rs because its time for a new piston

anything over 500cc i dont think milage would be an issue its just general condition, i wouldnt think anything of buying a 1 litre car with 70,000 miles on it so why not a bike?
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

hazza wrote:
50-125cc if its two stroke anything at 15k i wouldnt touch, especially 'sports' bikes like the rs because its time for a new piston


Piston and rings with a gasket set is about £100 from a decent supplier. Gentle afternoons work. Do it yourself and it costs less than a minor dealer service on a 4 cylinder 4 stroke.

hazza wrote:
anything over 500cc i dont think milage would be an issue its just general condition, i wouldnt think anything of buying a 1 litre car with 70,000 miles on it so why not a bike?


Maybe rather less. Have heard that Hondas design life expectancy for a CBR600 is 30k (not sure I believe it), so 70k is well in excess of that. However, treated well then they will easily exceed that.

To be honest, more of a concern is how previous owners have treated the bike. If someone starts the engine and revs it hard from cold, or leaves it idling for ages to warm up then they are likely to seriously shorten the engine life, but without a lot of checking there isn't really a way to tell. Same for gearboxes. Watch a track day and see the way some riders just stamp down the gears, and with no attempt to blip the throttle to give the rest of the transmission an easier time.

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PostPosted: 18:32 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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50-125cc if its two stroke anything at 15k i wouldnt touch, especially 'sports' bikes like the rs because its time for a new piston


Piston and rings with a gasket set is about £100 from a decent supplier. Gentle afternoons work. Do it yourself and it costs less than a minor dealer service on a 4 cylinder 4 stroke.



true, and its not like its a difficult job, but its not something i would like to do as soon as i got my new bike, and there is always the temptation to just leave it resulting in an expensive repair job when it eventually does go bang


im suprised to hear of only a 30k life expectancy on an engine, dosent seem like value for money after paying what 6 grand for a bike
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

hazza wrote:
true, and its not like its a difficult job, but its not something i would like to do as soon as i got my new bike, and there is always the temptation to just leave it resulting in an expensive repair job when it eventually does go bang


In some ways I would be inclined to do it even if it had done half the mileage. Just for peace of mind. Same for cam belts in cars, or an oil change on a 4 stroke bike.

hazza wrote:
im suprised to hear of only a 30k life expectancy on an engine, dosent seem like value for money after paying what 6 grand for a bike


Average annual mileage for a bike is something really pathetic (around 3500 a year. By the time the average example of a bike has got to 30k, most will have been written off / scrapped and the maker will probably have started to discontinue some spare parts.

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PostPosted: 20:04 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

3500 miles?!!!! I do 12480 alone on my commute , not including offsite work.

add in ride outs I push about 30K a year , hmm no wonder the bike is starting to
fall to bits and is held together with gaffa tape and cable ties....

Hmm interesting reading , I'm just mulling over 7 difference ZX6Rs and ZX7Rs,

one has 28000km and is going for £1800 (1998)
one has 32K and is going for £1450 (1999)
one has 30k and is going for £1350 (1997)

the ZX7Rs are all 1999 models around £2000 with 15K on them

probably why I consider it borderline criminal to commute on super sports!.
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PostPosted: 20:08 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
3500 miles?!!!!

I know - criminal, innit?

That's actually a bit high for the annual average - 2-3k is the often quoted figure.
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I admit I'd be slightly off put by 30,000+mile bikes, only because theres plenty of <15,000mile bikes out there. I know the chances are it'll be fine assuming it's been looked after. As it happens my last 3 bikes have all had 12,000miles when I bought them!
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally wouldn't be to bothered about a bike that has high mileage, say 50k+. As long as it has been serviced and maintained I would have no problem with buying a bike with such mileage. At the moment my 1989 cbr400 has around 35.5k on it and the 1995 xr250r has around 6k. Not to bad really, especially the cbr which is only about 2k per year lol.

My dad keeps been put off with buying cars that have 80-100k on them as he thinks there going to break down any time soon. Although I've been telling him that modern engines can last a hell of a lot longer. Mad Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
If someone starts the engine and revs it hard from cold, or leaves it idling for ages to warm up then they are likely to seriously shorten the engine life...


Bit off topic, but how come prolonged idling to warm up the engine is damaging? Is it best to blip it from cold?
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rollins wrote:
Bit off topic, but how come prolonged idling to warm up the engine is damaging? Is it best to blip it from cold?


Running a cold engine on choke idling to warm it up is dumping a shed load of fuel into the engine. Which will wash the oil from the bores, increasing wear and likely put fuel into the oil degrading its ability to lubricate the engine.

Added to which at idle the engine isn't under load. Rings are not being pushed onto the bore as hard and will do a good job of polishing the bore (removing the carefully honed surface that holds oil).

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PostPosted: 23:09 - 05 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

So whats the point of a choke then Kieth? Laughing Laughing
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