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PostPosted: 22:57 - 02 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zimbo, explain it to this - you'll get more sense.

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PostPosted: 22:59 - 02 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

some people like trackdays... in fact many people like them!
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PostPosted: 23:02 - 02 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my opinion we should encourage him to remove the jacket as well and the helmet... Wink
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 02 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barker-CBR 600 wrote:
In my opinion we should encourage him to remove the jacket as well and the helmet... Wink


. . . . and the bike? Smile Smile

No offence meant Jamie, I understand you're a young lad and therefore a) invincible, and b) won't spend anything at all on protective gear or maintenance as a result, although blowing £50 a night on going out is acceptable of course, if you're anything like most young-uns Smile
In twenty years your priorities will be very different, believe me. Hopefully you won't still be bearing scars or damage as a result of your attitude to safety gear now.
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 02 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zimbo wrote:
a) invincible, and b) won't spend anything at all on protective gear or maintenance as a result, although blowing £50 a night on going out is acceptable of course, if you're anything like most young-uns .


okay, humm.... invincible ish, wont spend money on gear, your wrong, i bought my lid, my jacket and my gloves all my self but thats all that i really need
and i never go and and blow money like that im just not like that.
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 02 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why spend money on jacket gloves lid etc... and then leave your nuts unprotected?

I had a nasty fall off a tiny little 50cc when i was 16, (no my nuts were fine thank you) my jacket and gloves protected me fine but my jeans totally ripped off and my legs both got totally skinned from about 12 inches accross the knee's. And that was only doing about 30.
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PostPosted: 23:31 - 02 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

When i got my VFR400 me mum took me to the nearest bike dealer to get covered in leather.

I have a 2 piece zip up that i (will soon) wear on days out, going to the local shops i just put on me jacket.

I understand that safety is paramount but when i only pop out for some chocolate id rather not worry about changing trousers lol.
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PostPosted: 23:33 - 02 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd maybe get a 1 piece if I intended to do a pile of track days. I don't, so I'll stick to textiles/2 piece.
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PostPosted: 23:52 - 02 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Simple wrote:

that and I can never get them to fit me,

Should cost £100 or under to get a set altered to fit.



My 2 piece only cost just over £100...they fit fine, also means I can just wear the jacket with jeans for nipping to uni/college

It would be hard for leathers to be altered as I tend to find them too short between my hips and my knees.
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PostPosted: 00:07 - 03 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

UrbanRacer wrote:
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If you come off and need medical attention, one piece is harder to remove than two piece.


doesn't matter if its 1pc or 2pc, they cut them off you.


I know,
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If for example my upper leg was pissing blood and my shoulder broken, having a first aider (who has no scissors) having to rarve a one piece suit over my battered torso to get the the leg wound would be a tad inconvenient, not to mention extra painful.


Two piece FTW Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 00:09 - 03 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 00:15 - 03 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

jamie stokes wrote:
Zimbo wrote:
the reason we wear proper bike gear.


yes but spending 100s on bike gear is just not worth it.


Sure about that? I wish I'd worn leather trousers when I came off the bike in October, would have saved me many hours of agony pulling strips of torn clothing from my gooey seeping wounds, and then the pain of scabs opening when trying to bend my knee's for weeks after Neutral

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PostPosted: 01:32 - 03 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 Piece leathers for their practicality. I had hein gericke gear which fit me nicely - made me look very tonk and buff. Cool . It sure as well did save me from a nasty skin graft on my thigh when i came off a year and a bit ago on tarmac, 20mph. I had a 5mph spill on jeans and that was enough to abrade through into my knee. Its the feeling of having that extra skin on you that'll save you months of pain and infection.

I now have a rather horrid scab on my right knee that reminds me "dude, don't wear jeans unless you want to be a nobend and face the consequences".

Oh and Jamie, not to diss your rather bizarre and naieve attitude, but there are things in the world called "other road users". Sure you're not going fast in your rockports and jackets, but BOOM into a side impact, where's your abrasion and impact protection going to come from?

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bought my lid, my jacket and my gloves all my self but thats all that i really need
. Ja really? Laughing each to their own i suppose, but try saying that to your surgeon when you have skin lacerations and a ruptured ankle or anything that might be degenerative. Best not to be a wise arse as everybody on this forum is trying to educate each other with their experiences and minor ignorance will pay itself in due course. Karma
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PostPosted: 01:54 - 03 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 Piece for me.

Why? I bought them when I wasn't 100% sure that biking would be for me, so whilst I wanted the protection from dedicated bike clothing, I wasnt prepared to fork out £#00's on a leather set up for me potentially to think "hell no- back to cars for me" 6 months down the line and have wasted a load of cash on leaters etc.

When they wear out/circumstances allow, I will trade up to leather, but again it will probs be 2 piece as I lke the convenience of being able to remove the jacket to cool off a bit when I stop.

I also think that I would look like even more of a moron than I usually do rattling along on my £400 banger, with a one piece race rep suit on Laughing Laughing

FAO: Jamie,

Dont take this wrong lad, but remember what happens to normal trousers/jeans when fall over by tripping on a kerb or something. They tear. Now, its said that the average human walks at approx 4mph.

Imagine coming off the bike due to some moronic dickwad pulling out on your dad and you slide down the road, on your arse in unlined fashion-over-function jeans. This is likely to happen at a speed 10 times or more faster than you walk.

You will lose a lot of skin.

If you dont, I will eat my hat.

You're right, It is your choice to wear jeans, but from one person who enjoys motorcycling to another, I urge you to think twice about it and perhaps pick up even some cheap trousers at Lidl or Aldis when they come on offer again soon. Cheap though they may be, they will offer a lot more protection than denim.
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PostPosted: 02:08 - 03 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zimbo wrote:

Not relevant, an off at 30 will cause almost as much damage to your skin, and impact from a car bumper will cause just as much damage to you. Seriously, not having a go, that's the reason we wear proper bike gear.


Zimbo, this is not really true. I've come off plenty of times at around 30mph wearing thick trousers and either a wax jacket or a combat jacket. Nothing worse than minor abrasions and bruising.

Gloves are a bloody good idea though.

A set of one piece leathers will do nothing against a car bumper except maybe hold all the bits in one place.
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PostPosted: 02:23 - 03 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil_G wrote:
FAO: Jamie,

Dont take this wrong lad, but remember what happens to normal trousers/jeans when fall over by tripping on a kerb or something. They tear. Now, its said that the average human walks at approx 4mph.

Imagine coming off the bike due to some moronic dickwad pulling out on your dad and you slide down the road, on your arse in unlined fashion-over-function jeans. This is likely to happen at a speed 10 times or more faster than you walk.


Well, a 'normal' coat, a pair of Reebok Classics and Levi 501's held up pretty well in my little lowside last year. I was most surprised at just a few scuff marks, no rips, no tears. I hurt like buggery, dont get me wrong, more padding would have helped cushion the hard impact. The only long standing damage was a fudged shoulder.

I was in this situation as I had sold all of my stuff when the ZXR went, so chav stylee to the rescue Laughing

I have to wear a uniform, a gay one at that, and when I wore a one piece I had to take a bag and get changed at work. A lot of faffing around and to be honest, a pain in the ass.

Not too bad in the winter, although a little sweaty, would not fancy doing it in the summer, unless there was a shower I could use at work.

Never had a 2 piece, but I cant imagine it being any hotter / cooler than a one piece, just a little easier to get in and out when at work.

I suppose textiles are the way to go Confused
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PostPosted: 08:28 - 03 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

generally, i use 2 piece textiles to commute as they are comfy to wear over office clothes, and dont crumple my shirt

i prefer a 1 piece, but only used to wear one when i was gonna go for a blast on country roads at lunch time.

not so easy to do that at my new work as im further away from country lanes

work colleagues did find my brightly coloured romper suite quite comical, including a bloke who used to ride and still does a bit in summer. By contrast, he only ever wears jeans and leather jacket, but also mentions the time he came off and the jacket rode up when he came off and so his back was a bloody mess.

For those who wear jeans and a jacket, it doesnt take much to sew a zip to the bottom of the jacket and top of the jeans to prevent that.

Ive got a few zips and keep meaning to fit a few to all the things i wear, but i use the zips on my textile 2 piece all the time.
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 03 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

jamie stokes wrote:
and i never go and and blow money like that im just not like that.


That'll be because you're 14.

Also, spending a few hundred on safety gear isn't exactly busting the bank. I guess it depends on how much you value your safety.

Fast relatively safe car ... £15,000.
Fast bike ... £5,000
Do you really think another £300 on a decent lid and £500 or so on a set of leathers is too much to spend comparatively?
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PostPosted: 10:42 - 03 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

2-piece for work in the summer, 1-piece for trackdays or fast blasts at the weekend and textiles for the winter. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 03 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suzuki wrote:

Also, spending a few hundred on safety gear isn't exactly busting the bank. I guess it depends on how much you value your safety.


One might suggest that there are too many rich kids about too. When I was 16 I had a total budget of £250 to get me on the road. My Dad paid the insurance for my birthday, £15 for provisional licence, £70 for CBT, £150 on a moped leaving me £15 for all the other stuff. I got a pair of leather gloves for a tenner and a second hand helmet off a car boot sale for a fiver. Rode the moped in a wax jacket, jeans and welly boots.

No better the following year. I got a helmet for my christmas, bought a 125 for £500 (having sold the moped for £100). Again, insurance for my birthday and about halfway through the year managed to save up enough for a cheap leather jacket.

Wasn't until I managed to get a half decent holiday job that I could afford a proper bike jacket and leather jeans.
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 03 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Zimbo wrote:

Not relevant, an off at 30 will cause almost as much damage to your skin, and impact from a car bumper will cause just as much damage to you. Seriously, not having a go, that's the reason we wear proper bike gear.


Zimbo, this is not really true. I've come off plenty of times at around 30mph wearing thick trousers and either a wax jacket or a combat jacket. Nothing worse than minor abrasions and bruising.

Gloves are a bloody good idea though.

A set of one piece leathers will do nothing against a car bumper except maybe hold all the bits in one place.


I'll refer you to Ram_Doom's post above for proof that crashing in jeans isn't a good idea, even at low speeds. You refer to thick trousers, I take it they weren't jeans? Thick trousers may offer a lot more protection, denim offers next to none.
As for the car bumper comment, you'll find I was referring to ankle / foot injuries, very common in low speed bike / car interfaces. Proper bike boots have built in ankle protection which reduces the severity of injuries, and may prevent them altogether in many instances. Broken ankles aren't funny and often lead to decades of partial disability and pain / discomfort.
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 03 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zimbo wrote:


I'll refer you to Ram_Doom's post above for proof that crashing in jeans isn't a good idea, even at low speeds.


Well, to be honest, they look like pretty superficial injuries from the photos. Sure they'll be sore but not the wholesale loss of skin people seem to go on about. More a case for a dab of savlon than a rush to A&E for emergency treatment then skin grafts.

You'll get abrasions/burns like that on your knees and elbows off the inside of your leathers in a crash anyway.
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 03 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Zimbo wrote:


I'll refer you to Ram_Doom's post above for proof that crashing in jeans isn't a good idea, even at low speeds.


Well, to be honest, they look like pretty superficial injuries from the photos. Sure they'll be sore but not the wholesale loss of skin people seem to go on about. More a case for a dab of savlon than a rush to A&E for emergency treatment then skin grafts.

You'll get abrasions/burns like that on your knees and elbows off the inside of your leathers in a crash anyway.


Not if you're wearing your school uniform under them.....
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 03 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

jamie stokes wrote:
I really dont see why you need to spend sh1t loads of money on one pice suits and stuff
jeans, rockports, and my bike jacket ftw.



You say you want poeple to accept you here but you STILL post pointless crap like this everyday?!?!

I came off at speed and if i had not havnt been wearing gear i would have been a lot worse off, i know from the bruising on my ankle i would have broken it had i not had boots. I probably wasted £500 of gear which was easily worth saving my skin, on the grand scale of things.

I really think im going to stop reading anything you post, because its mainly rubbish, like that post about getting into an arguement was helping raise your post count?!?! get a life!!
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 03 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:



You'll get abrasions/burns like that on your knees and elbows off the inside of your leathers in a crash anyway.


No you don't. I came off twice last year at around 50mph, skin absolutely and totally unmarked, minor bruising to hip and shoulder, wearing one piece leathers. I club race and offs at speed are very common, I've not yet seen or heard of abrasions or burns from the inside of leathers at all.
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