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ProXimaCore
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 28 Mar 2007    Post subject: Help fitting cigarette lighter to bike battery Reply with quote

I'm wanting to fit a cigarette lighter to my bike so I can power my GPS equipment. There's a couple of things I'm not sure about. Can any of you point me in the right direction?

I was thinking about buying these two below items.

https://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?ITAG=FAQ&ModuleNo=37962&doy=28m3#faq
If I buy this, will this do what it says and not drain my battery if I leave the gps receiver connected while the bike is off? Will this be an acceptable alternative to wiring everything into the ignition?

https://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=1055&criteria=cigarette&doy=28m3
Then I could connect it to this deviceand wire this straight on to the battery. Now, will I have to put this through a fuse before connecting to the battery? I have no idea how to do this.

The GPS device and phone will connect by usb to one of those usb sockets on the end of a cigarette lighter adaptor. I have this part already.

Can anyone see any problems with this?

Cheers.
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 28 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you going to put all the electrics and connectors out of sight? - under the seat Confused

Otherwise maybe an issue with waterproofing. I know various sites sell the adaptors for fairing mounting. These come with weathproof covers. The standard car adaptor is known for not being too good on a bike. I think BMW have an alternative that's more secure and reliable (but that means you can't use standard car stuff).

If you're going car socket->car adapter->USB cable then I can see maybe connection/vibration problems.

Why would you need the GPS on without bike power? Otherwise it's an easy fix to take a powered lead (fused) through a relay to turn on the accessories. I'd be reluctant to attach anything direct to the battery (although to be honest have done so myself to check if things work).

Don't think this post answers your question. Can you give more info?
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 28 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I'd be keeping it all under the seat.

As for the vibration, if it's an issue, I can always reinforce it with some kind of masking tape. Good point though.

I don't need the GPS on when the bike is off. What I mean is, I'd like to be able to leave the GPS receiver under my seat and just leave it there permanently fixed. (Or maybe hidden inside the rear seat unit.

There may be easier ways to do this so if you've got any ideas I'd be happy to hear them. What are these websites you mention?

All I really need to do is power my PDA and a GPS receiver (both mini USB power connection).
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 28 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where are you planning on mounting your GPS? I chatted to Aik'666 about this the other week. You're probably best to wire it into the something like the headlights so it only comes on when the bike is on. Logan wired my heated grips into the headlights (on the GSXR) and that works fine Thumbs Up I'm thinking about using an XDA and GPS reciever,,, The DNA headlight I have for the GSXR has plenty of space for things like this... I used it the other day to hold my bottle of sprite Embarassed
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 28 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

vmax.dude wrote:
...probably best to wire it into the something like the headlights ...

If in the tail unit best to wire into the tail light. Better still to do that and use a relay to switch the current when bike turned on. Wire your (fused) accessories after the relay. Do a search on here for relay and wiring and I'm sure you'll dig up useful stuff, like this question I asked (maybe similar to your connections).

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PostPosted: 14:30 - 28 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Persoanlly I'd get the basic in-line connector and two in-line fuse holders, one for each wire going to the battery (you never know Wink ) It's best to keep things simple IMO
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 28 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget an inline blade fuse, if you're connecting a TomTom or something I think 5A is the correct level. I know a guy who did similar and promptly melted £300 of GPS.

I recently wired the same cig lighter into the switched live of my Audi TT to power a TomTom One and did this, Maplins do the following part:

https://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?moduleNo=24539&doy=28m3

Ideal for a bike as has a waterproof cover.

Can't help on the battery protector, why not just fit an in -line switch?

Hope that helps. Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 14:46 - 28 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

vmax.dude wrote:
Where are you planning on mounting your GPS? I chatted to Aik'666 about this the other week. You're probably best to wire it into the something like the headlights so it only comes on when the bike is on. Logan wired my heated grips into the headlights (on the GSXR) and that works fine Thumbs Up I'm thinking about using an XDA and GPS reciever,,, The DNA headlight I have for the GSXR has plenty of space for things like this... I used it the other day to hold my bottle of sprite Embarassed

I was going to see if I can get it mounted to the hole in the middle of the top yoke. What do you call it again? I've seen another bloke mount a PDA there before. I'll need to find it again and see what he used.

Cheers for everyones help so far. Not quite at the stage of understanding this yet but at least I've got rid of some doubts I've had.

I've got till the end of June to get this working as I need to ride from Zeebrugge to Munich and back. Can see me getting really lost without this.
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 28 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will need: A standard automotive four pin relay with built in fuse and a simple lighter socket with two flying wires.

Connect as follows:

Pin 30: To Battery positive.

Pin 87: To lighter socket.

Pin 85: Connect to rear brake switch power supply.

Pin 86: to earth or battery negative.

Connect the other wire of the lighter socket to earth or the battery negative.

This will give you a lighter socket that is only live when the ignition is switched on.
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 28 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
You will need: A standard automotive four pin relay with built in fuse and a simple lighter socket with two flying wires.
Connect as follows:
Pin 30: To Battery positive.
Pin 87: To lighter socket.
Pin 85: Connect to rear brake switch power supply.
Pin 86: to earth or battery negative.

Connect the other wire of the lighter socket to earth or the battery negative.

This will give you a lighter socket that is only live when the ignition is switched on.

From stinkwheel's reply to my post this diagram may be useful as it shows how it can be expanded...
https://www.bikechatforums.com/files/fusebox.jpg
...not shown but assume common earth/battery -ve for connection to relay, gps, lights & grips.
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ProXimaCore
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PostPosted: 15:17 - 28 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
You will need: A standard automotive four pin relay with built in fuse and a simple lighter socket with two flying wires.

Connect as follows:

Pin 30: To Battery positive.

Pin 87: To lighter socket.

Pin 85: Connect to rear brake switch power supply.

Pin 86: to earth or battery negative.

Connect the other wire of the lighter socket to earth or the battery negative.

This will give you a lighter socket that is only live when the ignition is switched on.

Great post! Thumbs Up I'm pretty sure I can make sense of that.

The relay you mean, would that be something like this? https://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=6436&doy=28m3&c=so&U=strat15
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PostPosted: 15:30 - 28 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes but the cheaper 30A one will be more than sufficient (your main fuse for the whole bike is 30A).

Those ones don't have a built in fuse so you would need to add a fuse holder in the wire running between the battery and terminal 30.

I usually get mine from here:
https://www.vehicle-wiring-products.co.uk/VWPweb2000/relays/relays.html

Either part number R30AF or R20B and a seperate fuse holder.
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