Urgent advice on Restrictions for Speed Four

Andy C · Tree Seeking Missile Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Karma :

Hi,

Today my Speed four went in to be restricted (33bhp licence). But was told by the garage there is no such restrictor for the Speed Four? is this true? I was under the assumption that being a Fuel injected bike that it was simply a throttle limiter that made it 33bhp.

Please can someone help, if this is true then i have really screwed myself over, and my insurance started today so would only get 60% or something back if worst case i had to sell.

Thanks
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..... · Quote Me Happy Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Karma :

Worst comes to the worst and you can't get it restricted is it such a big issue? Have your insurers asked for a restriction certificate?

veeeffarr · Super Spammer Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Karma :

Is it the same engine as the TT600?

SoulRider · World Chat Champion Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Karma :

How long you get left on your restricted licence?
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veeeffarr · Super Spammer Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Karma :

Give FI a call on 01424 215444

Isn't the speed four actually a naked tt anyway?

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Andy C · Tree Seeking Missile Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Karma :

veeeffarr · Super Spammer Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Karma :

Better off posting on https://www.speedfour.org/

SoulRider · World Chat Champion Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Karma :

Well id personally just say its restricted, as 5 months is not to long to wait but that is ultimatly down to you as it can cause no end of problems if you crash.

Would have thought they could restrict any bike though Confused

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Andy C · Tree Seeking Missile Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Karma :

veeeffarr · Super Spammer Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Karma :

Just had a search for you mate and Triumph themselvs make the kit for about £30 quid.

MarJay · But it's British! Joined: 15 Sep 2003 Karma :

STOOOOOP!!

Don't pay any money to FI international.

Triumph make the kit. Its a throttle stop replacement which allows less throttle movement and its really cheap!!

Phone a triumph parts supplier and you'll get one.
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Andy C · Tree Seeking Missile Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Karma :

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Ste · Not Work Safe Joined: 01 Sep 2002 Karma :

Just call your local trumpet dealer to check what part you need, you'll even be able to order it from them as well.

Is it legal; well if the bike makes 33bhp with it fitted then yes it is legal. There is no legal requirements for FI kits or any certificate saying your bike is 33bhp.

Andy C · Tree Seeking Missile Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Karma :

veeeffarr · Super Spammer Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Karma :

https://www.onyertriumph.net/generalac.htm
https://www.jacklilley.com/view_part.asp?category_id=16&category_type_id=125&part_id=84

Jack Lilley looks promising.

There's also a Triumph dealer nearish to me called Woods of Abergele, I bet they could get it for you and they're good.

Andy C · Tree Seeking Missile Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Karma :

chris-red · Have you considered a TDM? Joined: 21 Sep 2005 Karma :

You will need triumph to fit it(although a monkey could put it in a take it out), it cost me about £60/£70, in total.
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chris-red · Have you considered a TDM? Joined: 21 Sep 2005 Karma :

I'm not sure what your asking but as long as you have the kit install by a triumph dealership and the certificate signed you are perfectly legal. I do not believe any dealership stock this part as standard as the speed four is not a big selling bike and not many people will order this part, I doubt there are more than 30 people with the kit in the uk.
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JonB · Afraid of Mileage Joined: 03 Jun 2004 Karma :

Perhaps it's worth making your parents realise that a restricted 600 still goes 110 MPH and that whether you crash at that speed of 150 it won't make a blind bit of difference, it's all coming across a little anal. I can understand your parents concern, but think they are being a bit irrational.
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MarJay · But it's British! Joined: 15 Sep 2003 Karma :

There is no legal method of restriction, in the sense that there is no recognised/certified method of restriction.

If you get the bike dynoed and the dyno operator happens not to open the throttle all the way then you have 'proof of restriction'.

The FI International gubbins is NOT a legal document. Basically the only way the police can enforce it is if they take the bike away and dyno it. A certificate might help but they could say that it is meaningless (which legally it is).

However 99% of policemen don't even understand the restriction law, and some think you can't ride a bike bigger than 600cc (as quoted to members on here) and some aren't even aware of a restriction element to the law.

Basically its one of the worst implemented and enforced laws in the whole of the UK. If the police don't understand it, and there is no legal way of proving that your bike is or isn't restricted short of the police consulting an expert witness (which they won't unless they think they might lose a gigantic court case).

Pretty much the only reason you are getting your bike restricted is to obey the letter of the law and to make your parents happy. In this case your parents have the same evidence of restriction that the police do, IE your say so, or the dealers say so.

In other words there is no LEGAL element to this situation which can prove or disprove your bike is restricted. It just has to make less than 33bhp.

The reason I'm going on about this is guaranteed your parents will insist there is something else you can do to prove your bike is legal, but as long as the kit is correctly fitted, there is nothing anyone can do to prove or disprove the bike is restricted, short of an expert dismantling the bike and seeing the restrictor.

To Andy C's parents: It doesn't matter who fits the restrictor, or whether or not there is a 'certificate'... as long as the bike makes less than 33bhp then its legal. The certificates are deliberately misleading because FI international want to take your money for a few 10p washers.

At least Triumph have the good sense and decency to charge a reasonable price for their restrictor, and indeed design it so it is an integral part of the bike, and cannot be removed unless it is replaced with the original throttle stop.

Kudos to Triumph for this I'd say! Karma

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