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steppen22
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 02 Nov 2008    Post subject: how do I change brake fluids/brake problem? Reply with quote

My wheel is still stiff, and I'm getting a little fed up now. I've stripped, cleaned and copper eased the caliper, and I return today and yet again I can hardly move the front wheel with my hand. I really could do without this with my test approaching and u turns, etc, being nightmarishly extra difficult becuase of this. I figure the piston is forcing itself out when the bike is stationary, and I can't think why other than upset fluid pressure.

So I'll need to change fluids. but

a) the screws on my cylinder won't budge. WD40? (but won't this work it's way into the chamber?)
b) I'm not sure what to do. Just unscrew the cable from the caliper and let it flow into a pot. Fill up via cylinder. Or do I need to fill whilst draining - is that what the little nipple under the rubber seal is for?


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PostPosted: 19:00 - 02 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The little nipple is where you bleed the fluid from, get yourself a short piece on tubing, slip it over the nipple and drop the open end into a jug. Now while someone squeezes and holds the brake lever (or you can cable tie it) turn the nipple and bleed some fluid out.

Alternatively just open the reservoir and remove the excess fluid using a pippet/syringe or kitchen roll.
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 04 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

As said above bleed your brakes properly, a google search on bleeding brakes will show you how if you are unsure,

You say you have stripped and cleaned the caliper, did you take out the pistons in the caliper ? ?,

im not saying take them out if you havent already,
But if you have, Did you put the piston seals and dust seals back properly, It could be the piston seals not seated corectly that is giving you the problems
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PostPosted: 18:07 - 04 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't remove the brake line from the calliper, you don't really need to do that to change the fluid.

Just get a length of tubing, unscrew the bleed nipple, pop it over the top and then pump the brakes until all the fluid is out. Then take the lid off the master cylinder and soak up any excess fluid with paper towel.
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 04 Nov 2008    Post subject: Re: how do I change brake fluids/brake problem? Reply with quote

steppen22 wrote:
...I've stripped, cleaned and copper eased the caliper, and I return today and yet again I can hardly move the front wheel with my hand. ... I figure the piston is forcing itself out when the bike is stationary ... So I'll need to change fluids.


Well, no. The fluid is most probably nothing to do with it, and there is little to no chance that the piston is magically working itself out without the brakes being applied. Either you didn't clean up the calliper properly (You might need to go as far as to pop the piston out, remove the seal and clean up the groove it sits in), or the piston is visibly corroded and and you need a new one.

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PostPosted: 18:38 - 04 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

To undo the master cylinder screws first try the correct size screwdriver, if that doesn't work go for an impact driver, as a last resort https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=148055


Do a search for brake bleeding or find someone who can show you how, its a bit risky to be playing with brakes when you have little idea of what to do.

As for the original problem, I've seen the little fluid return hole in the master cylinder get partially blocked with some gunk and cause similar problems, might be worth cleaning it all out.
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 04 Nov 2008    Post subject: Re: how do I change brake fluids/brake problem? Reply with quote

finpos wrote:


Well, no. The fluid is most probably nothing to do with it, and there is little to no chance that the piston is magically working itself out without the brakes being applied. Either you didn't clean up the calliper properly (You might need to go as far as to pop the piston out, remove the seal and clean up the groove it sits in), or the piston is visibly corroded and and you need a new one.

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the piston HAS to move freely. use red grease on assembly.
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 04 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Out of interest, are you using the bike daily or leaving it sitting? Does it get better or worse when you ride it?
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 04 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe the problem is that there is too much fluid in, stopping the piston from returning fully?
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 04 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

That caliper has not been stripped by the look of it. The piston will be gummed up into the cylinder. If you need to ask how to strip one down I do not recomend trying it yourself. I recon it should cost £30 plus parts to sort it.
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ichy wrote:
Out of interest, are you using the bike daily or leaving it sitting? Does it get better or worse when you ride it?


every other day. the problem seems to go away when the bike is used often. only if I leave it for say 3-4 days, then it's stiff.
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

What you could try is pushing the piston out as far as you dare (without actually popping it out of its seals), spraying brake cleaner on and scrubbing with a toothbrush. Push it back in and repeat. That's what I did to free mine up (it was still binding slightly but that sorted itself out over time, I can only assume that the pads wore down enough to stop it).
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