Toughness of clutch

[kawashima]

I practised wheelying and some slalom ridings on my W650 a little bit harsh, now this is the second time I have to ask changing my clutch
I posted in a japanese W650 forum and asked if they have had same troubles, but most of them replied to me saying "YOUR RIDIGN IS WRONG!"
I got typical expected responses and now I am disappointed

What I feel is
-clutch spring is too soft (since it was new)
-I couldn't find any tougher clutch kit for this bike.

Please post any thing about clutch.
-How many times you have changed clutch?
-What caused the damage to your clutch?
-If you use tougher clutch kit, what is it like compared to normal one?

p.s. mechanic said they might have to change clutch housing and hub and others too due to the damage when I first burnt the clutch. They suggested me to buy a new bike . There's no good bike in kawasaki line up. I want 800-900cc class but kawasaki doesn't have any. I hope honda makes VFR800 street fighter someday. Why did I buy W650? Because I was too short for DL650, and it was my mistake.
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own:2020 Serow 250
owned: 2012 YB125SP, 2008 TDM900, 2005 W650, 2002 LS125R, 2002 CB400SF, NS50F, C50 / Trip to UK(2009), Hokkaido touring(2013)

[MaybeGuy]

i dont really know how any sort of riding would burn out a clutch.

i've had my GSXR over a year now, got just short of 33000 miles on it, and as far as i know, is on the original clutch (was on 21000 when i got it).

the abuse i've put it through, thousands of wheelies, racing starts etc, and it hasnt begun to slip at all.

i would say its a fault of some sort, or general bad maintenance that caused it.

if your clutch feels light, chances are the springs are too soft, or some have fallen out.
replace them with heavier duty ones.
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Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!!
Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith

[kawashima]

[MaybeGuy]

its a wet clutch, so it should put up with it no problem. have you checked your oil level?
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Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!!
Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith

[kawashima]

[MaybeGuy]

the damage could have been cause by the oil level being too low previously. if it is slipping, you'll need new friction plates most likely. costing around £40 for a full set.
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Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!!
Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith

[kawashima]

[Pete.]

Sounds like you have worn the clutch out with your antics. Repeated slipping of the clutch under power WILL wear it out because that's what it's designed to do.
Be aware that every bit of metal and fibre you wear off your clutch will get suspended in your oil and travel around the engine with it wearing out other parts. You might also have notched the clutch basket with the repeated abuse.
The guys on the W650 forum are kinda right - the reason it's slipping is because of the way you have treated it - whether that's right or wrong is up to you and your wallet to decide.
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132.9mph off and walked away. Gear is good, gear is good, gear is very very good

[G]

I've had similar issues in the past; were the metal plates 'blued'?
This seems to make them extra-slippy.
Either new metal plates, or for a start you could try roughing them up slightly with sandpaper.

While they're not quite in the capacity range you want, surely both the Z750 and Z1000 are quite similar to what a VFR800 streetfighter would be like?
I wouldn't get too hung up on capacity - I've ridden a 1300 that had less power than my 250 at the time .

Incidentally, clutches aren't too hard to do your self if you've got a few tools - in some cases you do need air/electric impact wrench, but not for the Kawasakis I've done.

I wouldn't have thought slow speed slipping like that should do damage to the clutch basket really, even drag starts etc don't seem to be a big issue. Aggressive wheelies are more likely to, however.

[kawashima]

[cyberglass]

Mate you can get lowering kits for the DL650 that bring it down 25mm or 50mm . there not to expensive around £15 and can be fitted in about 10 minutes.
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DL650 Vstrom 2004
DRZ400S 2003
Yamaha R1 2005

[kawashima]

Please let me ask one more question!
I found a clutch kit for W650.
https://www.barnettclutches.com/products/clutch_plates_springs.aspx?type=clutches_other&clutch_make=Kawasaki&clutch_cc=650

I asked the mechanic if they can purchase this and fit it, they responded it's possible but clutch life is shorter than normal.
Is this true?
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own:2020 Serow 250
owned: 2012 YB125SP, 2008 TDM900, 2005 W650, 2002 LS125R, 2002 CB400SF, NS50F, C50 / Trip to UK(2009), Hokkaido touring(2013)

[Cigaro]

What kind of oil are you using? Some oil can make it slip.

[kawashima]

[G]

[kawashima]

[jack_zxr400]

sounds like you'll need to change the clutch plates and oil again :/
get it working again and sell it

then buy a nice second hand z750
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Previous Bike: ZXR 400
Current Bike: R6
Test Date: 8/8/2008-PASSED

[cyberglass]

Kawashima just noticed you had a LSR125 what is parts support like over there had to get rid of mine after a small accident because i couldnt get parts

Cracking bike loved it to bits
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DL650 Vstrom 2004
DRZ400S 2003
Yamaha R1 2005

[kawashima]

[Moonie]

800-900cc Kwakers.

ZX-9R anyone?
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[jack_zxr400]

not unless they did a streetfightered one >.<
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Previous Bike: ZXR 400
Current Bike: R6
Test Date: 8/8/2008-PASSED

[Moonie]

Must remember to read threads properly.
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