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PostPosted: 19:48 - 26 Apr 2009    Post subject: r6 drinking water? Reply with quote

had a major service on my 02 r6 1500miles ago and since then ive had to top the water up twice. does this sound like a problem or could it just be some air in the system and now the waters made its way around? the bike runs fine and at the right temps but ive never even had to top it up before this.

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PostPosted: 20:04 - 26 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much water did it take on each top up and after how many miles did you do each of them?
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 26 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

hold your hand over the exhaust and rev it to see if it gets covered in filthy water.
if it does, could be head gasket. check your sump too if the oils gone like tea.

if either of the above happens, ive got a nice GSXR with no running problems ill gladly swap it for Wink
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PostPosted: 23:48 - 26 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsprattuk wrote:
ive got a nice GSXR



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PostPosted: 13:47 - 27 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could be your radiator leaking a little? Depends really on how much you've had to top it up, and how often.

I had a small rad leak, that took ages for me to find. If you go for a decent ride, the rad gets hot enough to evaporate any water that leaks onto the fins, so you don't notice it. Similarly, it never leaked when the bike was stood. It was only after a short 10 minute ride or so, that you could see water on the rad.

Also, i was bored and couldn't help myself...

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PostPosted: 14:19 - 27 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ahhh bugger you went for the "Volvic" when you shudda gone EVIAN/NAIVE route haha

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PostPosted: 22:14 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol cheers for the help.

when i toped it up it only had a small amount to fill the bottle not even a 100ml i did about 200miles and noticed it was low again. ill check for a leak on the rad next time i get it out. the oil is all clean.
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

gray84 wrote:
lol cheers for the help.

when i toped it up it only had a small amount to fill the bottle not even a 100ml i did about 200miles and noticed it was low again. ill check for a leak on the rad next time i get it out. the oil is all clean.


How much fluid is in the 'expansion tank'??
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 29 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats what im topping up. its on max now but keeps going down to min.
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 29 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you topping up the expansion tank!?!
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PostPosted: 22:02 - 29 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

gray84 wrote:
thats what im topping up. its on max now but keeps going down to min.



Why are you not topping up the radiator???


How much fluid will the radiator take?
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 29 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well seeing as that's where the cooling system draws fluid from when it needs to... I'd imagine th answer to be yes.

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PostPosted: 22:34 - 29 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noxious89123 wrote:
Well seeing as that's where the cooling system draws fluid from when it needs to... I'd imagine th answer to be yes.

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To understand what is going on, it makes more logical sense to fill the rad to the brim and monitor the level in there ....
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 29 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

rigghhhhtttt Confused

the bloke at the shop by me told me to fill it from the expansion tank. ill go fill the rad ujp then lol. still havnt had time to look for leaks but best start by filling the rad up Embarassed
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 29 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue_SV650S wrote:
Noxious89123 wrote:
Well seeing as that's where the cooling system draws fluid from when it needs to... I'd imagine th answer to be yes.

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To understand what is going on, it makes more logical sense to fill the rad to the brim and monitor the level in there ....


good god man. its quite a bit past april 1st Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 23:38 - 29 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

lukamon wrote:

good god man. its quite a bit past april 1st Mr. Green


Go on ... why is that such a silly thing to suggest?? Thinking
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 29 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

because the coolant expansion bottle is the highest part of the cooling system, hence whenever the rad looses water, the level in the expansion bottle will go down to keep the rad full. kmx of mine did'nt have a bottle because the rad was higher up than the engine, so to top up the system, you put it in the rad.
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 29 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

lukamon wrote:
because the coolant expansion bottle is the highest part of the cooling system, hence whenever the rad looses water, the level in the expansion bottle will go down to keep the rad full. kmx of mine did'nt have a bottle because the rad was higher up than the engine, so to top up the system, you put it in the rad.


The bottle sits at about the crank level i.e. below the rad (certainly below the top of the rad) on the R6 ....

Race bikes don't have the 'expansion' tank at all ... just a 'catch' tank ...
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 02 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

its still using alot. im about to top it up again now. cant see any leeks from rad and help my hand over the exhaust and revved. had some cacky water but the bike had been used and standing so i let it warm up again and did it and nothing really come out just a little clean steam on my hand.
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 02 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue_SV650S wrote:
lukamon wrote:
because the coolant expansion bottle is the highest part of the cooling system, hence whenever the rad looses water, the level in the expansion bottle will go down to keep the rad full. kmx of mine did'nt have a bottle because the rad was higher up than the engine, so to top up the system, you put it in the rad.


The bottle sits at about the crank level i.e. below the rad (certainly below the top of the rad) on the R6 ....

Race bikes don't have the 'expansion' tank at all ... just a 'catch' tank ...


On my zxr the expansion tank is in the rear tail unit.
Not only that but the rad cap internals are sprung loaded so when rad pressure builds to a certain point only then will it push the rad cap innards open to allow water to over flow to the expansion tank.

I fI just filled the expansion tank it would just sit in the expansion tank and wouldn't feed into the rad because of the sprung cap blocking it.
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 02 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

gray84 wrote:
had some cacky water but the bike had been used and standing so i let it warm up again and did it and nothing really come out just a little clean steam on my hand.


hmmm. Question
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 03 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

well i wen up to the horse shoe pass ystaday with a few mates and i just bollocked a load of water in the expansion tank and it hasnt used a drop so it looks like it was just a thirsty moment.

cheers for your info guys
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

gray84 wrote:
well i wen up to the horse shoe pass ystaday with a few mates and i just bollocked a load of water in the expansion tank and it hasnt used a drop so it looks like it was just a thirsty moment.

cheers for your info guys


Have you checked how much is in the rad NOW?

Its bound to have dropped a little (when it expands for the first time it will spit a bit out of the overflow), but you should still be able to see water in there. If you can't see water, you have a problem.
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to make sure we're all on the same page;

When you had this "Major service" they drained all the coolant and filled it back up, right? (as opposed to not doing anything to the cooling system at all).

After they'd drained it and refilled it, there would still be a bit of air in the system. Running the bike would eventually force all the air out of the system when it get's hot and pressurises. When it cools, it will draw fluid back into the system from the expansion tank. Once all th air is out of the system, it'll stop drawing water from the expansion tank.

Simples! Smile

The better way of getting the air out of the system would be to run the engine for a bit to dislodge any air (but don't let it get too hot), then open the rad cap, and top it up directly there. Rinse and repeat until there's no more air making it's way into the top of the rad. Tis how i did mine.

Ended up with antifreeze all down my leg, because my buddy that was pouring it in whilst I held the bike up missed a bit... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noxious89123 wrote:

After they'd drained it and refilled it, there would still be a bit of air in the system. Running the bike would eventually force all the air out of the system when it get's hot and pressurises. When it cools, it will draw fluid back into the system from the expansion tank. Once all th air is out of the system, it'll stop drawing water from the expansion tank.

Simples! Smile


Shocked Er that's not how it works ... but never mind Laughing

However, the run it for a bit to bring all the air to the top of the rad, let it cool and re-fill is indeed the way ahead on a coolant change ... just the same as it is the way a run and top-up is the way to go on an oil change!!! Thumbs Up
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