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TheFoxyDuke
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Scrubbing In......... Reply with quote

Just had a new Pilot Power rear fitted this afternoon. £120 fitted to bike which I thought was fairly reasonable Smile

Now, as this is the first new rear I've had, how do I go about scrubbing it in properly. By this I mean how many miles does it take?, should I take it on some twisties to generate a decent amount of lean for the shoulders etc.

Any thoughts greatly appreciated Wink

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PostPosted: 18:44 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just ride like I would when its wet at first, nice and smooth. Then just gradually build up the lean angles and braking over 50 miles or so.
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PostPosted: 19:27 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 19:29 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulington wrote:


Low grit sandpaper on the tyre, all over for a few mins.

Good to go. Thumbs Up


I'm pretty sure this doesn't work.
I can't remember the exact reason, but somebodies posted it before.
Its something to do with the tyre needing heat cycles to get rid of the slippery protective silicon they put on the tyre rather then just sanding it off Thumbs Up

I just ride like a granny for the first 20 miles or so, after that I've normally forgotten that its a new tyre and just ride normally, which has never caused me problems so far.
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

i got a pair for £145 pilot sports on the sp1 Smile

yeah 20-30 miles just take it easy
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I scrubbed in my new tyre in the pouring rain 2 weeks ago.

Had decent lean within about 20 miles.

If it was dry, I would take it to the edge within about 10-15 miles.
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Faraz wrote:
I scrubbed in my new tyre in the pouring rain 2 weeks ago.

Had decent lean within about 20 miles.

If it was dry, I would take it to the edge within about 10-15 miles.


on what bike a tzr50 ?
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Al wrote:


I'm pretty sure this doesn't work.
I can't remember the exact reason, but somebodies posted it before.
Its something to do with the tyre needing heat cycles to get rid of the slippery protective silicon they put on the tyre rather then just sanding it off Thumbs Up

I just ride like a granny for the first 20 miles or so, after that I've normally forgotten that its a new tyre and just ride normally, which has never caused me problems so far.


Yep, you need to get rid of the 'release agent', the only way to do this is to 'sweat' it out ...

Sanding the tyre with the bike in gear on a paddock stand will do nothing more than risk you losing your fingers!! Wink
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulington wrote:
Put the bike on a paddock stand or something or anything so the rear tire is in the air.

Put in gear so the tire spins.

Low grit sandpaper on the tyre, all over for a few mins.

Good to go. Thumbs Up


You've got the same problem as every other sixteen year old boy in the world. You clearly think you know everything.

If you want to scrub in your tyre that way then please do so, however don't come crying to us on here once you've lost all of your fingers.
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

cLaTTeReD wrote:
Faraz wrote:
I scrubbed in my new tyre in the pouring rain 2 weeks ago.

Had decent lean within about 20 miles.

If it was dry, I would take it to the edge within about 10-15 miles.


on what bike a tzr50 ?



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PostPosted: 23:17 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulington wrote:
Put the bike on a paddock stand or something or anything so the rear tire is in the air.

Put in gear so the tire spins.

Low grit sandpaper on the tyre, all over for a few mins.

Good to go. Thumbs Up

You don't mention the front. Also, apparently this gets particles of sand into your tyre, which will prematurely wear it.

On track a tyre can be scrubbed in well enough to give full-race-pace after not much more than a mile, given an initially-warm tyre. The trick, as with anything bike-related, is to build up a little at a time.
So try a slow speed/lean angle and increase it a little at a time and you can be using all the tyre very quickly, providing you do it progressively and 'listen' for feedback to make sure you're not pushing too fast.
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PostPosted: 00:23 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had a new rear tyre a month ago and was told 100 miles to scrub in, not to brake or corner too hard and keep it smooth. Maybe they were just making sure if everyone else is ok after 20 miles Embarassed
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PostPosted: 07:52 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's just easier for them to sat '100 miles' than worry about law suits. 100 miles upright and I still wouldn't trust the side-grip available.
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PostPosted: 07:56 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tyre fitters always say "100 miles" as an arse covering.

As G says 100 motorway miles will have scrubbed the middle in a treat, but not the edges.

It should be done after about 20-30 miles on twisty riding most of the time, and on track it takes a couple of laps.
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PostPosted: 09:16 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

250 miles to be on the safe side. I usually don't use my full acceleration before that point. Be progressive in the corners and take them a bit slower than you normally would and you'll be fine. Just pretty much repeating what G says.

Sand/silicon carbide paper is silly. The release agent will probably have permeated sufficiently deep into the leather, so even if you've taken off the sheen, it'll still be slippery. With small glass particles embedded into the rubber, you're effectively artificially heating up the tyre through the addition friction when the particles move around at high speeds ... well that's my take on it.

Don't worry about yer chicken strips mate Wink Thumbs Up ... get the running in sorted after 250 miles and any remaining release agent will have reacted with the heat.
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PostPosted: 10:13 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got to about the 100 km mark after getting a new Dunlop Qualifier fitted on my dad's FZ6 whilst I was back for Easter and then I got bored so started leaning more and more and didn't have any problems Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

5 miles max and the releasing agent is gone. I can't belive I'm seeing recomendations of 250miles, 100 miles etc...

The releasing agent will be off the tyre in about 100 meters to be honest, but the extra distance is to warm the tyre so you can lean it comfortably to get the sides scrubbed.

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PostPosted: 10:41 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I usually find that once youve left the tyre fitters, got into national speed limit roads, done a few clutch ups and had a few wheelspins the rear is more or less ready to roll, some progressive braking attempts get the front up to speed, then a bit of roundabout surfing and some other small roads with lefts in and I feel good. All in all about 15-20miles and your done.

Ive only done about 50-60k miles over the years so Im still a bit green on this sort of thing... Neutral
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do it to my bike and no problems occur at all.

As for the front, I just spin it by hand for a few revolutions. It's not much but it's enough to get the worst out of it, heard plenty of people recommend it, also do it to my race tires. Scuff slightly with sandpaper makes the agent on them come off in about 2 laps rather than 3/4 with no detrimental effects that I can feel.

Oh well. (: Whatever you guys say!
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulington wrote:
I do it to my bike and no problems occur at all.

As for the front, I just spin it by hand for a few revolutions. It's not much but it's enough to get the worst out of it, heard plenty of people recommend it, also do it to my race tires. Scuff slightly with sandpaper makes the agent on them come off in about 2 laps rather than 3/4 with no detrimental effects that I can feel.

Oh well. (: Whatever you guys say!


your serious??? LOL sandpaper on your tyres yeah sounds awsome.


also i BELEIVE that the distance needed to get teh agent to come off dpends on how old the tyre is.

a newish tyre (that hasnt been sat on the shelf in stock for months) can take anythign up to 40-50 miles to get the shit moving but then depends ont he compound of the tyre/ the road your riding on . But my dad bought a metzler for his TLR last year and was warned to be extra carefulla s it had been on the shelf for 5+ months, that tyre was still leaving oinly residue ont he ede after 100+ miles took almost 200 miles before the tyre was scrubbed to the ede. it was weird after a 70 mile ride where it was gettign nice and warm it was leaving a oily residue ont he ede of the tyre (not chain lube etc before any 1 says )
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have an RS50 which does 75mph use sandpaper, and after that fly to the moon for a spot of crater jumping....

If not 15 miles should be ok, depending on the tyre.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of tyre manufacturers dont use release agent, Bridgestone being one of them.
Its a bit of a myth really - the only reason they need scrubbing in is to rough up the surface, which is entirely possible within 15-20 miles.
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do a wee burnout just to get a bit of a scuff onto them, letting the rear end lean ever so slightly left to right. then its just normal riding for me.
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 14 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's all this sandpaper jobby-gob? this ain't fnking carpentry class.

Just ride the bike around some average speed smooth twisty roads progressively leaning more as you go. I've scrubbed a new set of tyres in within 20 miles (about 1/4 each side of the rear).. Just don't go stupid and you should have no probs. If it was wet I probably wouldn't even try to scrub them in that much, but then, I'm a pussy! Very Happy
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