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TUG
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 21 Oct 2009    Post subject: ATI graphic card problems Reply with quote

Right, getting pissed off now, theres something up with this card!
When i first played on CS:CZ and everything was fine and i had no problems, then all of a sudden, mouse lag!
Now recently my ATItool program is telling me i'm getting core: 506.25mhz and mem: 594mhz and it should be core 600 something, mem 999mhz.

It says on the ATI site i need a 30+amp PSU and this one is 22amp, I'm getting pretty paranoid its power thats lacking and causing all my problems, but could it be corrupt drivers?
Help me out please?
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 21 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Download latest drivers

Uninstall current ones

Boot up in safemode and run Driver Sweeper

Reboot and install new drivers

If there's no difference then you've ruled out corrupt drivers.

Makes sense that it's the psu, as soon as the card is loaded enough the clock speeds drop to what the psu can handle.
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 21 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

SoND wrote:
Download latest drivers

Uninstall current ones

Boot up in safemode and run Driver Sweeper

Reboot and install new drivers

If there's no difference then you've ruled out corrupt drivers.

Makes sense that it's the psu, as soon as the card is loaded enough the clock speeds drop to what the psu can handle.

Best buy a psu again then and research them propperly, i'll try the driver cleaner thing next time, bit late to be fettlin now. Cheers SoND
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PostPosted: 08:22 - 22 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a 700W Storm PSU sitting here, used it once for a bit of troubleshooting, still in the box, your for £15 + p/p if you want it.
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 22 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistergixer wrote:
I've got a 700W Storm PSU sitting here, used it once for a bit of troubleshooting, still in the box, your for £15 + p/p if you want it.

Can you link me to some tech info on that psu gixer? im very interested.
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 22 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Review here

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PostPosted: 23:34 - 22 Oct 2009    Post subject: Re: ATI graphic card problems Reply with quote

XlonewolfX wrote:
It says on the ATI site i need a 30+amp PSU and this one is 22amp, I'm getting pretty paranoid its power thats lacking and causing all my problems, but could it be corrupt drivers?
Help me out please?


I've just gone through these hoops with an nVidia card. Voltages, amps and rails and a lot of confusion.

The spec for the card recommended 12V @ 25A, but neglected to mention I needed 2 x 12V rails to plug into the 2 x 6-pin PCI-E VGA connectors on the card. Result = 1 x £70 power supply (with 2 x 12V @ 19A rails) replaced with one of suitable spec.

So, what card do you have and does 30A+ mean per rail or combined?

This is the part of the replacement PSU you should be looking at - the spec label on the side:

https://www.ocztechnology.com/images/awards/mxsp_wattage_charts.jpg

The first has 2 x 12V @ 18A rails, the others have 2 x 12V @ 25A

I ended up with the 600W one in the middle.
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 24 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It only has one power suply to plug to, Mister gixer, When can you send? Thumbs Up Wink
EDIT: Looks like the 30A on your PSU mister gixer is on the 5v rail i need a 30A 12V rail Crying or Very sad
EDIT2: x1950xtx bazza
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 25 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The power doesn't have to all come from one rail. Multiple lower powered rails that total over your required amps is sufficient. Each 6 pin connector does not have a dedicated rail to it.
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 25 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

how does that work? This is extremely confusing now, ATI says i need a 12v 30A 500w PSU to power the card that is the system requirement i have a 500w psu that produces 22A max
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 25 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has your supply got one or multiple rails? (+12v1 +12v2 etc?)

mistergixers supply is plenty and more for your card. If it doesn't work for you I'll take it. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 25 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The way I understood it is that you take the combined 12V rail output to be (roughly) the rating, e.g.

1 x 12V @ 22A = 22A psu
2 x 12V @ 18A = 36A psu
2 x 12V @ 25A = 50A psu

In the PSU world, you do get what you pay for, so a branded 500W model is likely to be better than a 750W unbranded chinese one.

To pass the time, feed your system specs into this PSU calculator:

https://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

and see what it suggests.
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 25 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

couldnt really get to grips with that bazza im really a novice at this sort of thing, SOND well my psu is 5v = 24a 3.3v = 24a 12V1=22a 12v2=22a -12v=0.8a 55vsb=2.5a.

What am i missing?
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 25 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

System Requirements

* PCI Express™ based PC is required with one x16 lane graphics slot available on the motherboard and one additional adjacent expansion slot.
* Connection to the system power supply is required:
o 450-Watt power supply or greater, 30 Amps on 12 volt rail recommended (assumes fully loaded system)
* For CrossFire™: 550 watt power supply or greater, 38 Amps on 12 volt rail
* 512MB of system memory
* Installation software requires CD-ROM drive
* DVD playback requires DVD drive and decoder software (not included)
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 25 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

XlonewolfX wrote:
couldnt really get to grips with that bazza im really a novice at this sort of thing, SOND well my psu is 5v = 24a 3.3v = 24a 12V1=22a 12v2=22a -12v=0.8a 55vsb=2.5a.

What am i missing?


That's not looking good. That psu should easily power that card.

How old is all your hardware?

Are your clock speeds permanently fixed at the lower speeds now or do they boot up normally then drop after a while?
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 25 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its like i've bought a female card, It stays fixed once booted so no drops.

Boots up either on full or like half, once i booted the pc up and the screen wouldnt show anything.

Driver issue then? I'm running usb mouse, external soundcard, wireless connector, urm, 2 hdds, dvd rw/cd rw(1 drive) its a 3-4yr old pc running AMD 3700 939 socket 3 gig ram, xp sp3 home

cant think of anything else, must be driver issue then? i dunno
Is there anyway i could of connected the PSU up wrong like mixed rails or something?
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 25 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Checked your cables? I reckon you've got a knackered/not plugged in properly video cable.
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PostPosted: 00:40 - 26 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

its plugged into the pci-e slot as much as possible and all the other cables are clipped into the mobo and the pci-e 6 cable is plugged in perficly i'll pull it apart after work tommorow.
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PostPosted: 00:49 - 26 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

But this though, 30 Amps on 12 volt rail recommended i think it means 1 12v rail needed? surely? Sad
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 24 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Card failed to boot up in full mode 3 times, twice in complete dead pixel mode. help?
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 04 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right, i've reformatted my pc like suggested by HETZ and tbh, so far, i've not had anyproblems at all, not a single dead pixel, no failures, even counter strike runs like a dream.
So, HETZ i love you man. x
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PostPosted: 23:55 - 04 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

you do realise ati cards downclock themselves when not in use as do alot of Nvidia cards to save power. as for the whoel 30A neede i wouldnt worry to much. ran a 8800gtx of a 350w psu with 12A for 2 years.


i would say buy a decent branded PSU but it would be worth more than your pc and seem rather poitnless
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PostPosted: 09:12 - 05 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

im running a 9500GT on 450W, its below the current min specs for the card, but ive never had it fail and its definitely been stressed.
If you are on CS, let me know your steam id Wink
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 05 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

TUG wrote:
Right, i've reformatted my pc like suggested by HETZ and tbh, so far, i've not had anyproblems at all, not a single dead pixel, no failures, even counter strike runs like a dream.
So, HETZ i love you man. x


How well did you uninstall your old drivers originally?
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 05 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

SoND wrote:


How well did you uninstall your old drivers originally?

Loads of different ways and none of them made a difference i still got frozen controls on CS and right clicking froze the pc at times.
Everything is running as it should, and i've no complaints as of yet.
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