Man Made Climate Change - where's that gone then?

[D O G]

Seems that since the economy when to the wall they've not been ramming this shit down our throats anymore. Interesting - how come it is no longer the most important single issue in the world now? Are my children no longer doomed to a future of eeking out a meagre existance on a baking planet?

Surely something should still be done?

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more important things to worry about ..........................like your jobs!
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[Itchy]

Oh I still hear it now and again, however the tone is more cautious and more analyitical. Something I heard on the radio recently (dunno which channel) was about how food miles was completely bogus a measure of a carbon footprint.


Probably also that Labour isn't in power anymore and it was a means to control people, though I am not saying the Con/Lib alliance is not seeking to control people either.
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[Mister James]

No, 'cos it never existed - and even scientists who support the theory concede that (if it exists) it's impossible to prevent, the money would be better spent on coping with the (alleged) inevitable changes.

That said, I still see plenty about it - The Met are always wibbling on about their climate change obligations.

I've got no issue with protecting the environment and fighting actual pollution, but the climate change agenda needs dumping ASAP. Hopefully we're seeing the start of that now.
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[hellraiser]

Yup, "man made" are the key words here!
All the evidence i've seen, supports that it's a natural change.
We are in fact having very little affect on the planets climate.
Yet another way for the powers that be to control the masses.
Maybe they've realised we have cottoned on?
Nah, most are too stupid/asleep, and will take/believe anything.
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[Frost]

The problem is in proving it. The planets temperature changes second to second, minuter to minute all the way up to changes every hundred thousand years. E.g if an ice age occurs say every 150,000 years then you could plot the average temperature over the 150,000 year cycle giving a rough estimate of what the temperature should be now. But this value is only an average and will not correspond to any reading taken at a single instant, or even taken over years. To sample 1% of the time period between ice ages would still be innacurate and would require us to take readings for the next 1,500 years.

In short, we are having an effect on the planet and it's not for the better. Proving it is difficult, measuring it near impossible.

The planet has been completely toxic by our standards many many times and it has completely recovered every time and it will again. Will we be about to see that happen? Maybe.

[TomCB]

the eco-mentalists have probably been sacked in these hard times.
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[Redoko]

Providing it is true, Britain contributes 2% to the world's CO2 emissions, don't worry about it.


America, China and Russia are the only ones who can make a significant difference, and you know what they're like.


Ignore it, live your life.
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[Grimnir]

Milankovitch cycles are involved to some extent, and I'd like to see the government try to tax volcanoes - they got us out of the 'snowball earth' situation.
We DO produce *some* CO2, but not a huge amount when compared to other sources. The closest I can come to agreeing with the climate change doom-mongers is that maybe we contribute *just enough* to tip the system over the edge?

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[Mister James]

[Itchy]

[Kickstart]

Hi

Man made CO2 amounts to 3% of global CO2 emissions (although that figure is a bit dubious when you remember absorbtion and emissions from the sea, etc).

Problem is that both those who believe and those who do not believe in man made global warming being a problem have a habit of making badly based arguments. We land up with someone with zero knowledge of climate but who has used claimed climate change as a basis for a study on its effects on their area of expertise (ie, someone studying the possible effects of X degree increase on temperature on some animal) having their results being held up as being in support of man made climate change.

There is also the issue of how much human activity increases temperature. Basic science is simple, and an increase in CO2 levels will increase temperature. How much is another question (especially as CO2 acts as a greenhouse gas on a limited wavelength of energy emissions, and we are close to absorbing all of that anyway), and how much that is increased or mitigated by feedbacks (ie, higher temp means more clouds, which depending on the type can further increase or reduce temperature) is yet another question. Taking the simple theory if someone is asked if human CO2 emissions affect temperature then the answer is yes, but that is a very different question to asking them if the effect is noticeable or important. After all if the increase is 0.01 degrees then does anyone really care?

Other problem is measuring temperature changes. We only have about 30 years of accurate global temperature measurements. Anything prior to that are easily contaminated surface measurements, or proxy measurements.

It does all seem to have died down quite a bit. The liberals did campaign on it a bit in the last election but now seem to have forgotten about it.

One problem is that even if you do go along with it, how do you define CO2 emissions? If I buy a TV then so much was generated making it. But if it was made in the UK then that counts, yet if it was made in China then it is ignored. Stamping down on UK CO2 emissions from business really does little more than move those emissions somewhere else (and probably increase them when you take account of transport).

All the best

Keith
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[D O G]

I think, perhaps, some of you guys missed my sarcasm.

Ironically, just this morning there was some renewed bleating about MMCC, saying we're not cutting emissions fast enough. I must be a uninentional barometer for IPCC publicity...

[Itchy]

[Luke_Retrofly]

I read that the UK will be one of the least effected areas in the world from climate change, apart from losing a bit of Norfolk, but who cares (Hopefully they can put snetterton on stilts or something).

Kind of Ironic seeing as we started the Industrial revolution

So sit back, buy some more sunscreen and watch the rest of the world burn.
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[Nick__C]

Haha because the 'man made' part was always a total load of rubbish (y)
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[Mister James]

[Charlie]

I don't believe humans are the biggest contributor to global climate change, however I do like to believe the Gaia theory, I have got the book to read, and will be doing the in near future, but from what I saw, it seems pretty good. Global climate change is happening and has always and always will be happening.

Any models drawn up by scientists can't be valid because there are some many feedback systems that we don't know about or understand properly. I suspect the reason for the all the money being spent on low emissions stuff is because using the global warming 'card' is any easy reason to validate projects/ideas.

Making things more efficient is my eyes a great thing to do and should be encouraged. However spending so much money for such little gain in efficiency is well inefficient. I also wonder if the money spent on being 'green' could have been a contributor to the current economic situation.

[Mister James]

I've got no problem with developing clean power, or renewable energy technologies, or with cutting actual pollution.

I just don't think we should be actively penalised and taxed for generating CO2 above spurious randomly-generated levels, when there's no proof it causes any harm, and even less than CO2 restraint will prevent anything anyway.
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[Ed Case]

It's bollocks, it's just a topic used by some publicity starved "Experts" that need a 'hobby-horse' to put them into the public's eye (have you noticed that the vast percentage of these "Experts", whatever their chosen subjects may be, originate from the US ?, must be a country full of 'em). When this sad excuse of a government having off-loaded practically any power of any significance to the 'Black Hole' of Brussels start saying 'NO' to even more airport runways, 'NO' to expensive extravagances like the Olympic Games I'll not believe that there's either a 'Global Warming' problem or the our country's on it's financial knees. It's all bollocks !.

[metalangel]

I have very little time for eco-freaky weird-beards. By all means we should seek to be more efficient and less polluting but not at the expense of lives.

There was some crap on BBC Wales a few months ago, some family who loved their gadgets had to go and live like barbarians in some alfalfa-farming hippie commune and live off the land in harmony with nature. Oh yes, cars and electricity and all that shit is awful.

Do these eco-warriors really expect us to believe if they broke their leg while tending their lentils they WOULDN'T call (telephone) an ambulance (internal combustion engine) to go to hospital (modern medicine)? They'd really let their leg get dealt with in filthy conditions, heal incorrectly and be wonky for the rest of their lives? Or indeed just die of any other easily curable disease but HEY! At least they didn't 'kill the planet' doing so!
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[Nick__C]

Smegballs "The fact that the climate is changing is another nail in the coffin"

Change is what climate does, so how exactly is it another nail in the coffin?
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