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 Posted: 19:04 - 31 Jan 2010  Post subject: FZ project. *Swingarm swap.* |
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Owned this bike since 2004.
1987 FZ750.
Done me well in the past, including some respectable 1/4 mile times. 
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/FZ.jpg
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/FZ2.jpg
Back in 08, i spent some money on her, as was looking a bit abused.
New dark screen, front tyre, replacement sump, shortened end can slightly. Amongst a few other bits.
No pics of how it looked after tidying up. 
Shortly after, it got reversed into by some silly cow who drove off!  (was parked up at the time)
Ive nearly broke it for parts a number of times, but just can't.
I still love this bike.  
Built my other bike quickly so i'd have something to ride.
So the FZ has sat in the shed since.....May 2008.
Got this from a friend for much cheapness.
Sometime early last year.
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/photo0582si0.jpg
Everything needed for a rear end conversion 
Couldnt believe the bargain price for, swingarm, shock, wheel, disc, caliper and sprocket etc.
Never was keen on the skinny rear FZ wheel.
So last year i stripped out the old swingarm, shock and wheel.
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC00837.jpg
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC00838.jpg
Fitted the R1 assembly loosely, for an idea of looks and what modification it will require.
Seen FZ's done with other Yamaha rears (fzr1000 both exup and pre-exup, and also YZF750) so can't be that hard, can it 
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC00841.jpg
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC00843.jpg
Then it sat there like that till the other day, thought it was about time I got the project moving again. 
The R1 swingarm pivot measures 260mm wide. (without end-caps)
Whereas the FZ is 245mm.
So i had to lose 15mm.
Decided to take 7.5mm of material from each side.
Pushed the bearings further into the swinger, as there is plenty room for this.
Then got to work removing material.
Fitted end-caps back on and trial fitted.
Took a couple of hours to get to that stage.
That was Thursday............
More progress made today.
Been quite lucky with this, as the original FZ pivot sleeve
is a perfect fit for the R1 bearings.
 So all is needed is to insert the FZ sleeve into R1 bearings and I can use the original FZ pivot bolt setup!
R1 Pivot, with bearing pushed in and material removed.
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC00137.jpg
FZ sleeve into R1 bearing.
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC00138.jpg
Perfect fit!
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC00139.jpg
Ready for fitting!
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC00136.jpg
Had to remove the battery box and some other gubbins.
this is where it's going.
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC00135.jpg
This bracket (battery box sat on this) was right in the way of the rear shock. So out came the grinder 
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC00133.jpg
That's better! loads of room now.
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC00140.jpg
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC00143.jpg
From the side.
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC00141.jpg
Bottom R1 linkage lines up with the original bottom mount.
Couldn't of asked for it to be easier really.
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC00142.jpg
Will have to fabricate and weld a new top shock mount.
And get some spacers made up for fitting shock and linkages.
Battery will have to be re-located behind the rear light i think.
But will get there eventually.
I used some ally bar and loads of cable ties to keep the rear shock in place.
Re-fitted the bodywork and seat, then wheeled it out for a better look. Pretty damn happy with how it's gonna turn out.
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC00147.jpg
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC00145.jpg
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC00148.jpg
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC00144.jpg
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC00149.jpg
Chain allignment is looking pretty good also.
Think i may have to space the foot rests out to clear the arm, maybe one of the pillion pegs also.
After that, i'll need some other parts to get it back on the road.
Another screen, clutch slave rebuild kit, rear brake lever, front brake lever, some mirrors and some fairing repair.
Probably more stuff, but that's off the top of my head.
......oh and some fork seals, if i keep that front end on for now.
Cheers for reading!
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looks alot better with a nice wide rear end
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Hi
I have had my FZ750 for about 20 years now. However I need to do some work to get it back on the road. Not much. Need to adjust the rear Ohlins shock (which might be easily done by removing it first and adjusting it off the bike!)
Agree that it doesn't look like the wheelbase has changed much. The 17" rather than 18" wheel shouldn't make any difference to the wheelbase (well, a tiny amount from lifting / lowering the rear end).
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All you need now is an R1 front end to match, it certainly handle & stop better. I think it may be just how the bike looks in the pictures about the wheel base. Are you going to paint it? Good luck with it.
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| Kickstart wrote: | Hi
I have had my FZ750 for about 20 years now. However I need to do some work to get it back on the road.
Not much. Need to adjust the rear Ohlins shock (which might be easily done by removing it first and adjusting it off the bike!)
Agree that it doesn't look like the wheelbase has changed much. The 17" rather than 18" wheel shouldn't make any difference to the wheelbase (well, a tiny amount from lifting / lowering the rear end).
All the best
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Wow! You must have owned that from new then? Or nearly new?
There's definitely something about FZ's
Maybe i'll hold on to mine for that long, previous owner had
looked after it and spent some money on some tasteful mods.
Thought i got it for a fair price considering it had a full Remus system, twin headlight fairing conversion,
and the billet front calipers with braided hoses.
Where i weld in the top shock mount is also going to dictate the ride height and the angle the swinger sits. I better get this right! 
How long's yours been off the road?
Oooo Ohlins? can see it being easier off the bike, not the most accessible place to reach on an FZ.
I've got a used Hagon shock from a while back,
but that'll be of little use, as i'll probably be using the R1 shock now.
| alun111 wrote: | Nice job, looking good.
I think the r1 swinger looks longer as you the rider pegs haven't been put on yet in that photo so the front of the swinger isn't being covered up, creating an illusion. |
Thanks! obviously gonna take some tidying up before final
fitting but i do think it's going to look great!
Yeah i agree, i've yet to fit the pegs etc back on so will see how it looks after. Think they might need spacing outwards.
May even go for some Raask rear sets at some point. 
| BenR wrote: | All you need now is an R1 front end to match, it certainly handle & stop better.
I think it may be just how the bike looks in the pictures about the wheel base. Are you going to paint it? Good luck with it. |
Don't i just!
funnily enough i have one!.......but most of it's crash damaged beyond repair
Bloke chucked it in free with the rear stuff.
What i do have is an FZR1000 (genesis)front though.
It's still a RWU front end, but bolts straight in, (as does an fzr exup USD front end)
can have a 3 spoke wheel more in keeping with the new rear, and the forks are slightly fatter.
Also gives me the option of the bluespot calipers to match the rear.
One thing with changing to chunkier forks, could end up with clearance issues with the top fairing.
Seen it done and does look smart though8o)
I may try just the front wheel first, The fzr one is powdercoated black and is immaculate.
Could try a TZR250 (double disc version) one i have.
That is silver with a polished rim, so would look great with the silver rear. I have a few sets of front discs to play with
Stopping power was excellent due to the billet 4pots, but i'll be interested to see what it'll handle like.
If the front does change, then the billets might be replaced.
Tempted to keep running the front for now, as thats a pretty much brand new tyre from before.
Hmmm.....running a sporty rear with a bt45 front could prove 'interesting'. 
Ah decisions, decisions!
First job is to get the rear properly sorted, top mount welded very soon i hope.
As for paint, it may stay standard. Although it's looking a bit tired in places and does have some damage.
Could say it gives it character.
Would be interested in any ideas to convince me, from anyone.
Satin black all over!?? 
Maybe a retake on the original scheme?
Or another FZ scheme.
Cheers
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Hi
Mine is an early 1FN model, think registered in 1986. I bought it at the end of 1990, used it loads until 1994 then it was off the road for a couple of years. Back on the road for a year and a friend borrowed it for a year, then back off the road for another 3~4 years, back on the road for a year and now been off the road for 6~7 years I think. Engine is healthy enough, have a pair of wheels that have recently been powder coated to go on, decent disks, decent original calipers and keep picking up spares that will be useful.
Mine did have a Quadrant rear shock on that was dire. Had a damping adjuster that was just about impossible to use. Went from so heavily damped you could time it rebounding with a calendar to bouncing up violently and trying to take your nose off with a tiny movement of the adjuster.
The 1FN has a different shock linkage to the later 2MG models. Loads of other small differences as well (ignition system is quite different for example).
Originally had a Micron 4>1 exhaust which was pretty poor. Had a massive flat spot from 3k to 4k (they are renowned for it). Now has a Laser exhaust which works very well. Also have a fair condition original Yamaha exhaust here as well.
If I wanted to get it on the road then a couple of hours fiddling and a new battery would probably do it, but tempted to strip it and powder coat the frame.
All the best
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Kickstart, has yours got the half fairings, like the 85 model.
Do like the look of those  been tempted to switch to the smaller lowers myself.
I'm similar with my bikes, always one on the road and another off.
Keep getting ideas of other projects too, but need to get the FZ back to being ridden again.
Hardly worked on it since i last posted, the odd fiddle about with a few bits, nothing major.
Done a little in the last week or two so will update in a bit.
Almost bought a Quadrant rear shock some time ago, glad i didnt now!
got a pretty good condition hagon though, doubt i'll be needing it now.
Yeah i've seen quite few differences between FZ's, mate had one with the weird chain driven shock adjuster
Mines got a slight flatspot in the same rev range with the remus, can live with it.
Sold a micron system when i was building the yzf for £240 which funded the Akra system for the yzf which only cost £260.
Be good to see yours on the road mate, dont see that many about.
I'd powdercoat my frame aswell, but just wanna ride it soon!
Update of mine to follow.
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Hi
Mine has the half fairing but doesn't have the belly pan than was fitted to some bikes. Not sure how easy it would be to fit the small side fairing from the early ones. Think the main mounting point isn't on the frame, and I think the late coils are in a different place to the early bikes. Should be possible but you might need to weld a few brackets on the frame.
Mine had the chain driven shock adjuster when new, but the shock got old (would have rebuilt it but I had to cut it off).
Do need to powder coat the frame and clean up bits on mine.
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Hi, well if i go the route of the half fairing then i'll see if it's much hassle, cant be as much as this swingarm swap!
Right, update, not too much to get excited about, but it's getting closer to how i want it.
Took this after the end of play last time, cant believe i havent touched it since Febuary
Tried it with a 17" wheel sat next to, and my other Remus can.
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC01461.jpg
Then i tried the fzr1000 forks with an fzr400 or tzr250 wheel,(cant remember which) suited it well. Silver spokes and polished rim.
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC01613-1.jpg
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC01616-1.jpg
Found the fzr1000 lower yoke is twisted. 
Forks hard to place into both yokes, and hits rad on right side full lock.
Also using the fzr forks, i'd have clearance issues with the handlebars and the top fairing/clocks.
Best way ive heard is to have 4" risers and drag bars.
so went back to original FZ forks and a change of front wheel.
Switched to the fzr1000 wheel. discs arent important at mo and are interchangeable.
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC01617-1.jpg
Either front wheel/fork conversion required a sleeve for the spindle/bearing interface. (15mm ID 17mm OD)
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC01618.jpg
Checked wheel allignment. Luckily dead centre or thereabouts!
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC01622.jpg
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC01623.jpg
Chain allignment is worse than i first thought.
Spaced out the front sprocket, but wouldnt be able to fit the tab washer. maybe loctite will dispell any worries of it loosening.
Turned the rear sprocket around to face inwards, think that lines the chain up a few more mm closer.
Before spacer.
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC01632-1.jpg
After spacer.
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC01634-1.jpg
Sprocket nut reversed.
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC01636-1.jpg
Rear sprocket reversed.
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC01626.jpg
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC01625.jpg
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC01627-1.jpg
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC01628-1.jpg
Definately a wonky chain there, a step where it leads to rhe front sprocket, but the plastic chain runner emphasises this. (also needs modding due change in swingarm pivot width )
Footpegs/hangers refitted, clearance is fine!
Swingarm looks a bit shorter too.
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC01638-1.jpg
Top shock mount support going here.
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC01645-1.jpg
A while later made this up to fit the frame.
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC01646-1.jpg
https://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/h3llr4iser/YZF%20750/FZ/DSC01647-1.jpg
Thats it for now really, done more last day or two, especially tonight. (with many beers )
No pics tho, just measuring and mocking up the rear shock placement.
Made a start on the top shock mout bracket.....and smoke loadsa fags!!
Still front brakes to sort, maybe caliper brackets too.
Loads of other srtuff till it's anywhere near rideable again.
Doesnt the matching silver wheels look good? Cant decide where to go with the wheel colour/arrangement.
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if youve got welding equipment and such, why not buy a new front sprocket.
take two sprockets, cut the teeth and some outer metal off one, and cut the centre out the other, then weld them side by side, so the second sprocket fits over the sprocket nut and steps it out.
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95 dollars for a front sprocket!!!!
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| CHR15 wrote: | if youve got welding equipment and such, why not buy a new front sprocket.
take two sprockets, cut the teeth and some outer metal off one, and cut the centre out the other, then weld them side by side,
so the second sprocket fits over the sprocket nut and steps it out. |
Been thinking along those lines, i did put another sprocket behind,
(spare from yzf when i went to a 15tooth) but haven't tried it with
the chain.
If i go the route of fabricating it i think i'll farm it out to someone more capable, and access to better tools.
I checked those sites hmmmnz, think 52quid delivered was the best i found. Trying to find a UK supplier.
The joining of two sprockets could work out cheaper. Especially when i have two to use already.
Until i've checked how much offset i need i'll hold off on the sprocket for now.
Plenty of other bits to be doing.
| Kickstart wrote: | Hi
Not sure on the wheel colours. Doesn't really go with anything else on the bike.
As to the front sprocket, would have a look to see if someone can make you up an offset sprocket. Or just get an FZR1000 engine
All the best
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I kinda thought wheels both silver suited it ok, may change the bodywork colour yet so will see later on.
Thought FZRthou engine would line up the same though?
Is there a difference with the output shaft?
Or maybe the engine sits more to the left?
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Indeed, i've seen FZ's with fzr (exup and pre exup) rears on.
ZZR wheel been done aswell i think.
I do go that site now and again.
I'll worry about the sprocket when the top shock support/mount is
all welded in and secure.
Front forks need seals doing, clutch slave kit, new screen, re-seal sump,
er.... plenty more before i can even think about a test ride.
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Nitrous Nuisance
Joined: 05 May 2006
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| Posted: 17:40 - 01 Jul 2010 Post subject: |
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Yeah, yzf's the same also, pinched the slave off the FZ for it when that leaked.
I'll probably get one from wemoto or wherever's cheapest.
I got stung for 90quid once for a complete slave.
Before i knew it was just a seal kit needed to repair.
Made the mistake of taking it to a shop to fix a while after i first bought it. Mustve seen me coming.
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