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Itchy
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 08 Nov 2009    Post subject: The next one Reply with quote

I intended to do this backwards actually ie ship the bike to South Africa and ride back up, but didn't manage to do it, hence since I'm annoyed due to the loss of the XT and generally want to keep myself busy have decided to plan another one.


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Wingmen wanted:

Bikes will be XT varient ie Xt550 or Xt500 to reduce carnet cost and balance of power vs compression vs reliability which is essential ,kicker and maintenance kept low, triple oil coolers will be added , 43 litres of fuel to be carried.XTs have been proven 100s of times round the world KTMs, TEs, EXEs DRZs BMW x-challenges have been tested but not extensively.

One spare set of trellebourg tyres will be carried which should last till South Africa.

Soft side luggage , one top box each,

Will travel unarmed

Will carry a SPOD beacon, satellite phone and GPS.

Trip might potentially be sponsored lightly but not fully this demands that much filming and reriding certain sections be done.

The Congo will most definately be avoided either by boating it round or going on the opposite coast. Sudan darfor region has issues of no fuel or food , though Kinshasa and Brazzaville have even more problems.

Time of departure January 2012.

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I am not the easiest person in the world to get on with and I attract trouble like flies to cow sh*t.

Who's game?
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 08 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

What has happened with the last big trip?!?! You disappear for ages and then appear again talking about another trip.

Glad to see you're back and ok though Smile
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 08 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What has happened with the last big trip?!?! You disappear for ages and then appear again talking about another trip.

Glad to see you're back and ok though Smile


He was stuck behind China's firewall.
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 08 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

How long do you anticipate the trip lasting for? I may well be up for this but have to balance it against practicalities Smile
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PostPosted: 23:11 - 08 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can I tag along on the Chaly?
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PostPosted: 23:30 - 08 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mate, the route is a bit dangerous. You know, the last Dakar championship had been cancelled due to the acts of local bandit groups.

I think that a biker should have enormous big balls to follow that path. Mr. Green

That's good to think of another territory for exploration.
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 09 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imonster wrote:
How long do you anticipate the trip lasting for? I may well be up for this but have to balance it against practicalities Smile


top to bottom Africa can be ridden in 25 days at an easy pace 11 days at a panic pace.

Due to the need to get visas some of which you can't get ahead and a desire to visit the tenere tree, and sight see I think about 75 days. The west coast of Africa is sealed down to Mauritania.

The tenere tree is 3 days ride in 3 days ride out over soft sand.
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 09 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mate, the route is a bit dangerous. You know, the last Dakar championship had been cancelled due to the acts of local bandit groups.

I think that a biker should have enormous big balls to follow that path. Mr. Green

That's good to think of another territory for exploration.


Lois Pryce managed it (semi supported) in 2006 solo on a TT250, Maciek Swinarski managed it in 2004 (east coast) , so its not THAT dangerous.


its only the Congo that is dangerous, so you can go around it via sea or the longer route
Via Gabon is the more probable route, as there is currently no way through Sudan due to the civil war surprisingly petrol isn't really high on their list of priorities.
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PostPosted: 17:11 - 09 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
its only the Congo that is dangerous, so you can go around it via sea or the longer route


What about Algeria? Don't you still need a guide to enter there?
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PostPosted: 17:32 - 09 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What about Algeria? Don't you still need a guide to enter there?



Only northern Algeria, if you go in illegally via the tenere desert there is no need.
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PostPosted: 19:30 - 09 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh...so you ARE alive then!!!
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I couldn't resist looking up the tree of Tenere . . .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbre_du_T%C3%A9n%C3%A9r%C3%A9

https://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=https://lh3.ggpht.com/_Cg02E5r8Wzo/SaKDfgx2fFI/AAAAAAAAAkI/TTfFwi0OOFs/wiki_Arbre-Museum-Niamey_450px.jpg&imgrefurl=https://armchairtravelogue.blogspot.com/2009/02/sad-story-of-lonely-tree.html&usg=__N6dadnT0dJ3oR-2WTWBMuVAianQ=&h=380&w=450&sz=71&hl=en&start=5&um=1&tbnid=4CaZXcLWA-G5TM:&tbnh=107&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnigerian%2Bmuseum%2BL%2527Arbre%2Bdu%2BT%25C3%25A9n%25C3%25A9r%25C3%25A9%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1

Shame it's not a real tree anymore Crying or Very sad . I like the picture of it back in the 60's.

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PostPosted: 15:04 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you planned any sort of budget so far? If so could you give us a rundown?
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 11 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could still ship the bikes down, the company I work for ships to Port Elzabeth and Durban from Southampton.

They are all car carriers so bikes get shipped quite alot too.

If you want a quote go on www.2wglobal.com Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 11 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iain 007 wrote:
You could still ship the bikes down, the company I work for ships to Port Elzabeth and Durban from Southampton.

They are all car carriers so bikes get shipped quite alot too.

If you want a quote go on www.2wglobal.com Thumbs Up


You work for WW ! , they wanted £4K for RoRo for Japan to Long Beach California, they wanted even more for RoRo to panama.

While taking the bike partially apart and into a box for LCL (less than container load) it only £80 per cubic metre (including ALL handling costs at the shipping end).

While for a 20ft 8 by 8 container its £3600.

I'd prefer to use a different company that can get it to Durban for £560 boxed, but the idea of riding up instead of down to remove the problem of shipping at the end is a decent one.

As the original plan about 18 months ago was to ship from Vlad to Durban and ride it back up , this was stunningly cheap on account of Somali pirates meaning container ships went round the bottom of Africa or via Panama instead.
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PostPosted: 01:11 - 12 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Iain 007 wrote:
You could still ship the bikes down, the company I work for ships to Port Elzabeth and Durban from Southampton.

They are all car carriers so bikes get shipped quite alot too.

If you want a quote go on www.2wglobal.com Thumbs Up


You work for WW ! , they wanted £4K for RoRo for Japan to Long Beach California, they wanted even more for RoRo to panama.

While taking the bike partially apart and into a box for LCL (less than container load) it only £80 per cubic metre (including ALL handling costs at the shipping end).

While for a 20ft 8 by 8 container its £3600.

I'd prefer to use a different company that can get it to Durban for £560 boxed, but the idea of riding up instead of down to remove the problem of shipping at the end is a decent one.

As the original plan about 18 months ago was to ship from Vlad to Durban and ride it back up , this was stunningly cheap on account of Somali pirates meaning container ships went round the bottom of Africa or via Panama instead.


I'm on ship atm, Arriving Singapore tomorrow where I sign off Very Happy

Should only be ~£500 iirc for one fully loaded bike, maybe less, it wouldn't need to be crated either

A guy I know from ukGSer shipped his bike on the ship i'm on from Long Beach to Southampton via the Panama canal for ~£700

I'll try get the Southampton Cargo planners number when I have a few minutes spare, He should be able to give a proper quote Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:20 - 12 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm on ship atm, Arriving Singapore tomorrow where I sign off Very Happy

Should only be ~£500 iirc for one fully loaded bike, maybe less, it wouldn't need to be crated either

A guy I know from ukGSer shipped his bike on the ship i'm on from Long Beach to Southampton via the Panama canal for ~£700

I'll try get the Southampton Cargo planners number when I have a few minutes spare, He should be able to give a proper quote Thumbs Up



Dont forget to wash ye hands and flush the toilets ! , anyway I spoke to WW in the liverpool and southern office, they wouldn't deal with me directly and refered me to an agent who quoted me the obsene prices.
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 12 Nov 2009    Post subject: Re: The next one Reply with quote

I may still end up doing something similar in 2012, but it'd be down for me definitely, I reckon. Also be on my KTM690.
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 12 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

To both Itchy and G: If you make it down to Cape Town I'll buy you a beer.

Actually I might be keen to do part of Southern Africa as well. Maybe a loop around Zim, through Mozambique, Zambia, Botswana/Namibia.

But in typical South African fashion I have not idea what I'll be up to next month, never mind 2 years from now Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 08 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are there any takers for this trip? My plan right now if certain things fall into place over the next couple of months is to depart March 1st 2011.

Might even do it on the CBR, also because BCF now has a contact within WW shipping doing it backwards may make more sense than doing it the normal way.

Small cc cheap bikes because carnets are required for Sudan and South Africa. DR350s and XT350s are prime candidates.

Rough fag packet calc is £3K+bike+£250 in carnet fees + flight home and shipping fees. Chives? You game for doing this next year?
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 08 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Chives? You game for doing this next year?


Not next year I'm afraid. I'll be doing something in 2012 unless my job takes me somewhere. Can you wait until then? Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 09 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will be most likey doing a simular trip in 2012 as well but on a DR350, still planning to do the USA next year with joe if he,s still up for it.
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 09 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Will be most likey doing a simular trip in 2012 as well but on a DR350, still planning to do the USA next year with joe if he,s still up for it.


Yup I have a DR350 in mind for this.
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 09 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
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Will be most likey doing a simular trip in 2012 as well but on a DR350, still planning to do the USA next year with joe if he,s still up for it.


Yup I have a DR350 in mind for this.



They are pretty much the best light weight reliable dual-sport bike you can use for africa. lots of aftermarket bits like large tanks, good MPG, bullet proof engine if looked after, good supenion.

The XT350 is a good bike but is let down by shimed vavles compaired to screw-lockunt on the DR and has a weak subframe and supenion.
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PostPosted: 22:24 - 09 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They are pretty much the best light weight reliable dual-sport bike you can use for africa. lots of aftermarket bits like large tanks, good MPG, bullet proof engine if looked after, good supenion.

The XT350 is a good bike but is let down by shimed vavles compaired to screw-lockunt on the DR and has a weak subframe and supenion.


I was thinking more to reduce the 350% Carnet cost for Egypt actually and the fact that Nathan's bike survived oil starvation, multiple crashes and was used for two up.
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