ID that bike

[woll]

My brother has been bought a bike for his birthday by his missus, it's a right wreck needs a lot of tlc and a fair few parts. But he can't order anything because it has nothing we can i.d. it from on the bike. But i reckon one of you lot will know what it is.
Its a 350 suzuki 2t
3 gears (not sure about that one)
and the kickstart doubles up as the gear lever.
I'm waiting for him to email me the pictures of the bike in question.
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Current Bike- Suzuki DRZ400 SM K6
Previous bikes - Derbi Senda Xtreme50r, Honda CBR 125, Kawasaki ZZR 250, Yamaha DT125R, Suzuki Bandit 600, Gas gas ec 250, Honda CBR600FW
Damaged spleen, damaged kindey, 2 popped lungs, 2 broken ribs, broken face, broken wrist and 5 back fractures... remember kids walls hurt

[TUG]

The only thing that sounds like that to me is a CZ 125 lol.
I'm intregied
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Haz ER-5, innit!

[Teflon-Mike]

1970's, 350 (twin cyclinder?) two-smoke, with a gear-lever that lifts to become the Kick-starter?
Sounds like a CZ to me..........
Could some-one have stuck Suzuki badges on it, or dumped a CZ motor in a Zook frame, perhaps?
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[Frost]

https://www.suzukicycles.org/photos/T/T350/1970_T350_blue_right_450.jpg
T350

[woll]

i've only seen some crappy low res pics of it but the badges on the tank are suzuki, not sure if it helps but it would appear that the carb/air box is in the engine casing.
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Current Bike- Suzuki DRZ400 SM K6
Previous bikes - Derbi Senda Xtreme50r, Honda CBR 125, Kawasaki ZZR 250, Yamaha DT125R, Suzuki Bandit 600, Gas gas ec 250, Honda CBR600FW
Damaged spleen, damaged kindey, 2 popped lungs, 2 broken ribs, broken face, broken wrist and 5 back fractures... remember kids walls hurt

[nowhere.elysium]

[woll]

AFAIK he has absolutely no idea could prove interesting
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Current Bike- Suzuki DRZ400 SM K6
Previous bikes - Derbi Senda Xtreme50r, Honda CBR 125, Kawasaki ZZR 250, Yamaha DT125R, Suzuki Bandit 600, Gas gas ec 250, Honda CBR600FW
Damaged spleen, damaged kindey, 2 popped lungs, 2 broken ribs, broken face, broken wrist and 5 back fractures... remember kids walls hurt

[Carvel]

[Teflon-Mike]

OK, back to the books!First Port of Call Henshaw.
Aparently suziki pioneered the CCI 'Controlled Crankshaft Injection' auto-lube system, and did so on thier early comuter-bies of the 1950's that were confined pretty much to the Jap home market.
First 'twin' was the Colleda TT of 1956, which derived the 1960 'Twin-Ace' and T10, developed for export (US) markets. had e-start & indicators. FOUR speed hear-box. Pressed steel frame.
Disc valves didn't come in racing until 1962, & Ernst Degnars defection from MZ.
1966 T20 'Super-Six' 250cc Six-Speed gear-box. Kick-Start. Tube steel frame.
Makes reference to 'smaller' T200, and 'larger' T500 (Implied 200cc & 500cc versions) & 'enlarged' versions of T10 in 305 & 316cc capacities.
Then goes on to describe the GT380 tripple & the derivative X7, which would seem to be too late to be pertinant to this bike.
HOWEVER: if its a T20 'super-Six' derivative, must have six speed box. If its a T10 derivative, would be four, possibly five speed.
Carb in or close to crank-case suggests Disc-Valved version, so post '63, more likely post '66, as Henshaw describes bikes previouse to the super-Six as 'unsporting'.
Looking at contemprary brochure shot in Henshaw of T10, makes no mention of disc valves, (Makes more of the 'extra-long- clutch lever, & 'sturdy fender!) so presumeably piston ported, but does mention twin cabs and they LOOK to be enclosed in a casing moulded to the engine.....
Wilson's entries for Suziki are sparse.Only early srtoker it mentions is the TC250 'Street-Scrambler' version of the Super-Six (I thought it was called the Hustler'), definitely got a seperate kick-start & 250cc.
Roland Brown, re-iterates most of what was in Henshaw, only adding a little elaboration that the T10 of '63 was thier first 'export' success, and the 'original' Colleda was a 90cc 4-stroke single, one the T10 was based on was the Colleds RB 125.
Pics of 'Super-Six' show clearly visible exposed carbs, in conventional location behind barrel.....
RIGHT, found what I was looking for, another Roland B coffee table tomb! Bridgestone 350GTR
Often confused with the 'Super-Six', its styling was very very similar, but disc valved with the carbs in the side of the crank-case, behind engine casings. Mentions the Super-Six AND provides it was piston ported Not disc.... so that accounts for conventional location of carbs then.... I had the idea there was some tortiouse induction tract, but seems its the Bridgestone that has that.
anyway, dont know if any of that may help.... looking distinctly like it's going to be a T10.
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[dextersaurus]

^ /thread

[woll]

Still not been sent the pictures... will put them up when it gets here
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Current Bike- Suzuki DRZ400 SM K6
Previous bikes - Derbi Senda Xtreme50r, Honda CBR 125, Kawasaki ZZR 250, Yamaha DT125R, Suzuki Bandit 600, Gas gas ec 250, Honda CBR600FW
Damaged spleen, damaged kindey, 2 popped lungs, 2 broken ribs, broken face, broken wrist and 5 back fractures... remember kids walls hurt

[Carvel]

[stinkwheel]

Tank badges are not a good way to tell what a bike is. My Jawa currently has a Honda CG125 tank on it.

The only bikes I've ever seen or heard of with a gear lever that doubles as a kickstart are Jawas or CZs. In fact, I think it may even be patented.

It also implies that the kickstart is on the left of the bike. This is also an almost exclusively Eastern European feature. If it's a Jap bike with a left hand kickstart it's weird. If it's a Jap bike with a right hand gear shift, it's old and rare.

As far as I'm aware, Jawa/CZ never made a crankcase induction motor but they DID make them with shrouded carbs (big alloy casting that bolts over the top of the carb and doubles as an airbox).

Simple test.

What side is the chain on?

Japanese bikes have the chain on the left of the bike. Eastern European ones have the chain on the Right. That's nearly a rule (probably a couple of exceptions to prove the rule).

Ooh. Can you see if it's a boxer twin rather than a single or paralell? Could be an MZ BK350 motor. They are cool as fuck and rare as rocking horse poo.
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I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.

[dextersaurus]

OH.

Sounds like a Jawa 350 to me, maybe someone dropped it and replaced the tank off an old suzuki.

You never know

https://motorbike-search-engine.co.uk/classic-bikes-2/1987-jawa-350.jpg

Dunc

Edit: try and check the gears, if it has 4, that'll help...

[Teflon-Mike]

[dextersaurus]

[woll]

That's the thing dunc i aint got the friggin pictures lol, my brother was meant to be emailing them a few hours ago.
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Current Bike- Suzuki DRZ400 SM K6
Previous bikes - Derbi Senda Xtreme50r, Honda CBR 125, Kawasaki ZZR 250, Yamaha DT125R, Suzuki Bandit 600, Gas gas ec 250, Honda CBR600FW
Damaged spleen, damaged kindey, 2 popped lungs, 2 broken ribs, broken face, broken wrist and 5 back fractures... remember kids walls hurt

[stinkwheel]

[TUG]

ITS A CZ
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Haz ER-5, innit!

[woll]

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=206591
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Current Bike- Suzuki DRZ400 SM K6
Previous bikes - Derbi Senda Xtreme50r, Honda CBR 125, Kawasaki ZZR 250, Yamaha DT125R, Suzuki Bandit 600, Gas gas ec 250, Honda CBR600FW
Damaged spleen, damaged kindey, 2 popped lungs, 2 broken ribs, broken face, broken wrist and 5 back fractures... remember kids walls hurt

[G]

[stinkwheel]

[Frost]

Mates KTM had the kick start on the Left. It meant you had to get off the bike to start it. My old SRX had the kick start on the right, i don't think i could have started it with my left

[G]

You get used to the left hand kickstart after a while - the KTM was a 2 stroke, so wasn't too bad, but the Hussy could be a right pig. Probably helped that I used to start my mum's beemer when I was 11 .

Sure I've seen japanese dirt outfits with the outfit to the right. Bit different to standard sidecars, but then can't see anyone doing anything else on a Husaberg really!

[stinkwheel]

Having owned a wide assortment of bikes, I'm happy using a kickstart on either side of the bike from astride the bike or standing next to it.

You know you're getting good on a Jawa or CZ when you can flick the kickstart up using your foot without looking at it.
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“Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.