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PostPosted: 20:00 - 14 Apr 2012    Post subject: Oh, Mr Hyosung, you so craaaazy Reply with quote

So we piled into chumrade's GT125R today mob handed. It turns out that it had one of the ACME E-Z-Corrode swing arms, so a new one had been obtained and needed dropped in. But to get the swing arm off, the exhaust (I was assured, since I turned up late) had to come off. Weird, but there we go, shouldn't take... aaah.

Well, OK, that's the rear pipe off, but the front was solid in the head and oops, there goes a stud. After some tugging and twisting, double oops, that's us got two bits of exhaust. While Team A drilled and chiselled the seized remains of what appeared to be anti-tamper bolts off of the pipe-to-can join, Team B wrestled with the stub of the exhaust in the head. Would it come out? Would it buggery.

Anyway, Tef-story-short, three hours later we have a box of bolts - including the bonus secret hidden ones holding the head and barrel on - and the front cylinder head off, with only one exhaust stud snapped off short. After some extended drilling, cutting and eventually HULK SMASH chiselling, the pipe collar eventually gave up the struggle, taking a (hopefully non fatal) chunk of the head with it when it went.

Break for tea, ordering new exhaust pipes, and taking the head away to rebuild with chemical metal, and drilling and tapping for a new stud.

And all that to change the swing arm on a 125.

I'd like the meet the chap who designed this bike and shake him warmly by the throat. It almost feels as though hostility is engineered right into it. Brick Wall
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 14 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sad I hope my 250 is not going to be as stubourn when I have to do "stuff" to it Question
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 14 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Much in the way of expletives uttered? Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 14 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sload wrote:
Much in the way of expletives uttered? Laughing

Loads of neighbourhood waifs hanging around asking why the nice red bike was now a rapidly spreading pile of red and rust coloured bits, so we tried to stick to Radio Edits. Wink
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 14 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe the exhaust is designed to be the backup swingarm when the first rots away? Wink
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 14 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its always fun when a simple maintenance job turns into a mammoth task with bits failing left right and centre following their disturbance!
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 14 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kwaks wrote:
Maybe the exhaust is designed to be the backup swingarm when the first rots away? Wink

Sounds plausible. It might also explain why I can't find any bugger selling Hyosung pipes in the UK. Maybe I should check under suspension components? Wink

Hmm, bag on Chinese-branded bikes all you like, at least parts are easy enough to get now.
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 14 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheeseybeaner wrote:
Its always fun when a simple maintenance job turns into a mammoth task with bits failing left right and centre following their disturbance!


This ^^^

Everything I ever try to do happens like this
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 14 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rog, dude.... no pics?
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PostPosted: 00:02 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why didn't you get a blow torch out and heat the head/studs/bolts up? These days it is the first thing I do before going near exhaust studs and nuts, been there done that with VW's
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PostPosted: 07:23 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Werny wrote:
Cheeseybeaner wrote:
Its always fun when a simple maintenance job turns into a mammoth task with bits failing left right and centre following their disturbance!


This ^^^

Everything I ever try to do happens like this


You sometimes come to the conclusion that it might have been better not to touch it!
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PostPosted: 09:19 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
It might also explain why I can't find any bugger selling Hyosung pipes in the UK.


Wheelfit Motorcycles in Ely maybe able to point you in the right direction regarding exhausts?
When they did a bit of work for me, we chatted about aftermarket exhausts and cans for Hyosungs.
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PostPosted: 09:21 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers, we'll give them a try. I think it's going to be a telephone search - I'd just got so used to being able to type and click and have stuff turn up.

junglejim wrote:
pits wrote:
Why didn't you get a blow torch out and heat the head/studs/bolts up? These days it is the first thing I do before going near exhaust studs and nuts, been there done that with VW's


Unfortunately, there are people who blame everything and everyone but themselves.

This whole scenario could have been avoided with a little bit of common sense


I should have made it clearer that the damage was done by the time that I arrived and got fired in. Wink

The culprits are both professional motor engineers, by the way, so of course they're not going to show any common sense. My penetrating oil and their torch were sitting unused behind them, next to their cups of tea with six sugars. Very Happy

The nub of my gist is that it's a disappointingly (over) engineered bike. 2 cylinders, 4 cams, 8 valves, but not a lot, as you say, of common sense.
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wheelfit Motorcycles LTD : 01223 440087.
They seemed like a decent bunch Thumbs Up .

I bought the bike from Fastline Superbikes LTD in preston : 01772 902600, they maybe able to point you in the right direction?
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PostPosted: 11:24 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Re: Oh, Mr Hyosung, you so craaaazy Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
So we piled into chumrade's GT125R today mob handed. It turns out that it had one of the ACME E-Z-Corrode swing arms, so a new one had been obtained and needed dropped in. But to get the swing arm off, the exhaust (I was assured, since I turned up late) had to come off. Weird, but there we go, shouldn't take... aaah.

Well, OK, that's the rear pipe off, but the front was solid in the head and oops, there goes a stud. After some tugging and twisting, double oops, that's us got two bits of exhaust. While Team A drilled and chiselled the seized remains of what appeared to be anti-tamper bolts off of the pipe-to-can join, Team B wrestled with the stub of the exhaust in the head. Would it come out? Would it buggery.

Anyway, Tef-story-short, three hours later we have a box of bolts - including the bonus secret hidden ones holding the head and barrel on - and the front cylinder head off, with only one exhaust stud snapped off short. After some extended drilling, cutting and eventually HULK SMASH chiselling, the pipe collar eventually gave up the struggle, taking a (hopefully non fatal) chunk of the head with it when it went.

Break for tea, ordering new exhaust pipes, and taking the head away to rebuild with chemical metal, and drilling and tapping for a new stud.

And all that to change the swing arm on a 125.

I'd like the meet the chap who designed this bike and shake him warmly by the throat. It almost feels as though hostility is engineered right into it. Brick Wall


Wasn't me bagging on chinese bikes Wink

BTW what penetrating oil do you use? Best I have found is kroil (kano oil)
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Re: Oh, Mr Hyosung, you so craaaazy Reply with quote

Kwaks wrote:
BTW what penetrating oil do you use? Best I have found is kroil (kano oil)


I'm currently trying "3-in-1 oil pro penetrating spray" because it was the best they had at B&Q, but I'm not loving it. I'll be going back to Plusgas, or if I can find any, Rustola penetrating oil in a proper squeezy-can.
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

To get the swing arm out the SV the exhaust had to come off. The rear downpipe goes through the swingarm just aft of the pivot, then bends itself silly to join onto the front downpipe and into the 1 silencer.
I know the hyo GT650 is practically an SV engine, so I wonder if the 125 takes any similar design fetures, also being a twin and all that.

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PostPosted: 16:10 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

pepperami wrote:
I bought the bike from Fastline Superbikes LTD in preston : 01772 902600, they maybe able to point you in the right direction?


I was going past Preston other week, and I've bought from them in the past, and was surprised to see that the shop was closed up!
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilDawson8270 wrote:
pepperami wrote:
I bought the bike from Fastline Superbikes LTD in preston : 01772 902600, they maybe able to point you in the right direction?


I was going past Preston other week, and I've bought from them in the past, and was surprised to see that the shop was closed up!


They`ve moved to new premises.
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

pepperami wrote:


They`ve moved to new premises.


Never knew that, where are they now?
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

mredhead wrote:
To get the swing arm out the SV the exhaust had to come off.


Sounds about right, the GT125R is a GS500 frame with a V-twin, so let's put the blame on Suzuki-san. Still fraking mental though.
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