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PostPosted: 14:05 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Ducati 750SS SBK upgrade Reply with quote

Well the front forks on my 750SS are buggered, appears the damping tubes or something or other has gone in them, either that or the O rings at the top of whaddyamacallits have gone.

So I was looking around for some 900SS forks as these are slightly better than the ones I currently have, and the only pairs I found were either bent beyond recognition or sold (btw if you're the company I rang up about a week ago about the 900SS forks that you had for sale on ebay but turned out they were sold, thanks for calling me back, I enjoyed the 4 hour wait before I rang back. Rolling Eyes )

So I have gone for the next alternative which is a SBK conversion, quite a few in America have done this, not sure if anyone in the UK has but I now have a set of these
https://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d112/pitslayer/IMG_20120412_105650.jpg

https://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d112/pitslayer/IMG_20120412_105749.jpg


999 adjustable preload forks £150
Now there is some modifying that needs doing to make these fit my bike, my bike uses a 50mm top yoke and 53mm bottom, the 999 forks are 53mm top 53mm bottom.

So the plan is to dismantle the front end, top tree off and taken to a machine shop to get it bored out to 53mm

Bottom will stay on as it doesn't need to come off, but I do need to create a 53/54mm top hat spacer just to make sure they grip the fork tubes.


Only part I am really struggling with is brake spacers, I need 5mm width aluminium washers essentially with an m10 hole through it, as the brakes on the 999 are 5 m offset compared to mine, I have contacted a company in America who sell these for gokarts but they are utterly fucking useless
$15 worth of parts and want $173 shipping, emailed asking about normal postage, no reply since the 6th, waste of space so far.

will try to remember to keep this updated.
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The same place that bores out your yokes could turn you up 5mm spacers easy.

Or here

https://www.edgeboardshop.com/modules/store/Surf-Rodz-Axle-Spacers-br-Precision-Spacers-5mm-x-10mm-Red_P168950C13274A24546.cfm
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PostPosted: 15:42 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basically I need two of these
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7030/6472091209_a791ecc1bc_z.jpg

And for the brakes I need these
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7162/6472219059_8555e629f7_z.jpg


And I need some Clip ons, not sure what to go for yet clip on wise, I don't want to spend massive amount of money on them, after all, they are just handlebars, but I of course don't want them to look shit.
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you feel like spending

For yokes

https://www.imasrl.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8&Itemid=6&lang=en

and try Woodcraft for clip ons. Speedymoto also do SBK conversion yokes but they are a little £££
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

£400 (near as dammit) is way too expensive for me, I would rather just mill the standard yokes out.

Clip ons I am thinking a bit cheaper than that as well, might just get standard Ducati ones for a 999 and swap my controls over, I am nota big fan of fitting after market parts, but will see how it goes.

So far though, the machine shops I have rung don't reckon the spacers which can be made as we can see above, are possible to make.
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Send me the info about the spacers you sent to that company... i'll email them as well if you want ?

Maybe give them a ring ?
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

They finally got back to me $30 shipped, but not sure I can be arsed to deal with them if I am honest.
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 27 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I now have a set of Ducati 999 Clip ons and I also have a hard steely rod.
https://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d112/pitslayer/IMG_20120427_122445.jpg




(is aware that is not a rod, however I do have a hard rod on its way to me)

Time to get the shims made up Mr. Green Thumbs Up Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 27 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You got a nasty coke habit.....


Is it finished yet ?
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 27 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I looked into doing this mod to my Monster, but i found some fully adjustable Showas from an 888.

Good luck with it, let us know how it handles when its done.
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PostPosted: 08:23 - 29 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you got any pictures of your Ducati?

I have had my 750ss for a year now and am going to spend some money on it this summer to get it up to scratch Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 29 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

beatnck2 wrote:
I looked into doing this mod to my Monster, but i found some fully adjustable Showas from an 888.

Good luck with it, let us know how it handles when its done.
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There seems to be two ways to go with a Monster, either the 888 Showas or the SBK upgrade, I think most go with the SBK as 888 forks are a bit harder to come by, and not as good, though not 100% sure on that.

All the bits hopefully machined this week, only thing is I have to get the bike to work to take apart and my insurance ran out yesterday, and I am reluctant to insure it just to amend the policy in a week or so.

ace
https://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d112/pitslayer/Duke/IMG_20120311_140844.jpg

https://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d112/pitslayer/Duke/IMG_20120311_140828.jpg

https://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d112/pitslayer/Duke/IMG_20120311_140835.jpg
https://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d112/pitslayer/Duke/IMG_20110628_193422.jpg

What do you intend doing to it?
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 29 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lovely looking bike!

I was debating changing mine this year but cannot think of anything for the price that offers better looks / noise / economy so will keep it for a while yet Smile

It needs:
-Alternator case repainting (do you know where you can buy original paint?)
-New head bearings
-One of the fork seals is starting to weep slightly
-Chain and sprockets
-Repair and repaint the RHS plastics
-A damn good clean up

I will probably start my own thread when the bits get all delivered and i start the work.

https://thumbsnap.com/s/I5aDDUuT.jpg|https://thumbsnap.com/I5aDDUuT
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 29 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

aceofhearts wrote:
Lovely looking bike!

I was debating changing mine this year but cannot think of anything for the price that offers better looks / noise / economy so will keep it for a while yet Smile

It needs:
-Alternator case repainting (do you know where you can buy original paint?)
-New head bearings
-One of the fork seals is starting to weep slightly
-Chain and sprockets
-Repair and repaint the RHS plastics
-A damn good clean up

I will probably start my own thread when the bits get all delivered and i start the work.

https://thumbsnap.com/s/I5aDDUuT.jpg|https://thumbsnap.com/I5aDDUuT


Cheers
I was going to sell mine, but to be honest it is fantastic bike and unless I go for spending lots more cash, it will do the job.


-Alternator case repainting (do you know where you can buy original paint?) Some companies sell the paint for the frame and fairings, but not sure on the alternator cover, you might be best off going to a paint supplies place and asking for some silver colour charts and getting a match on the chart.

-New head bearings- Something I am going to check on mine, though they can be adjusted with grease, a hammer and punch I believe ( don't take word for it)

-One of the fork seals is starting to weep slightly- matter of course really, depends which way you want to go, I had thinner I think oil put in mine, or I was running 10w and it got put to 5w and honestly the transformation was night and day, the front was a bag of shit afterwards, so if you're happy stick with that weight of oil



-Chain and sprockets- Just done mine now, get a decent set you need to remove clutch thingy to take the front sprocket off, but really simple job to be fair, make sure you put the conical shape washer on rear tyre right way around or your rear wheel wont fit back on, easily done.

-Repair and repaint the RHS plastics- and LHS fairings, and rest of the bike, you appear to have bought the wrong colour one Wink my right hand one on mine needs painting as well, but will see, problem with me is that it will end up like some of the cars I have had, especially my VR4 where I got it to such a standard of cleanliness and what not I loathed taking it out incase it got marked, so the Duke gets ridden most of the year around (was even out in snow) and I don't want to get the fairing repainted as then I would need to sort out all the other little niggles I have paint work wise, then back to VR4, no longer want to go out on it, far too anal.

-A damn good clean up- This is a pain staking task, honest advice to you, buy front and rear paddock stand, you should at least have a rear one anyway as Dukes, especially the SS, do not like sitting on the floor all the time with no weight on them, as the rear shocks do tend to lock up, which means if you ever need to adjust your rear shock you need to take it off put in a vice and hit the collars around with a hammer, lots of WD40.

With it up on the stand you can really get in and clean it, only pics I really have
https://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d112/pitslayer/Duke/IMG_20110429_093325.jpg

https://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d112/pitslayer/Duke/IMG_20110429_093128.jpg

https://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d112/pitslayer/Duke/IMG_20110429_093149.jpg


I personally like to get the fairings off, and use a soft brush and an some water based engine degreaser to clean all the engine etc up, you have the advantage and disadvantage of not having the lower fairings, they are bugger to keep clean internally, but at the same time they show up any leaks you may get

That said, she does get used
https://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d112/pitslayer/Duke/IMG_20120311_131527.jpg



If you can, get a set of these, very rare to get hold of though.
https://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d112/pitslayer/Duke/IMG_20110624_184751.jpg
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PostPosted: 06:42 - 30 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the post Wink

I have a front and rear paddock stand and yes they are invaluable. Your cans are lovely. I did have some carbon microns on mine but had to sell them to free up some cash (which i really regret doing now) Crying or Very sad . Luckily i still have the Ducati Performance ECU which took me an age to track down!

I did start a thread when i first got the bike on Pistonheads:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=74&t=982468&mid=0&i=0&nmt=How+to+service+a+Ducati+750ss+%2D+Documented+with+pictures&mid=0

If you ever see any tasty bits for sale let me know Wink are there any good forums left now that Ducatisti is down?
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PostPosted: 08:43 - 30 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think I have read that thread already, the tins are very hard to get hold of, as is the ECU, though I have heard the ECU is bit something of nothing if not used with the tins (the ones I have) but if you're going to fit it make sure you take it somewhere for it to be set up before fitting it to make sure it isn't running lean etc and can be adjust on the rolling road.


As for a forum, I joined Ducatisti then lost interest as frankly it was a load of shit, rarely much going on, very little technical stuff, one guy whop posts all the time but clearly has lost the will to live with his posts even though helpful, but comes across as a bit of a cock, then the whole "wah wah wah no time to do forum, close it down or sell it" debacle, after that I quite frankly couldn't care for the forum.

https://www.ducati.ms/forums/ on the other hand, whilst full of yankee doodles, and you have to be hard ghey and post a hello thread before you're let in, is very helpful, everyone seems to know their stuff and the Supersport section is much more active as the bike seems to have more of a following over there.
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 30 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

...supersport.....snigger.....


The superbike section is where its at on that site Wink


I do like the yellow 750 Ace, very nice !
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 09 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right, well so far it is all go.
Got the bike up in the air, I would do a step by step guide but I cba and there are a fair few out there already.
Really though it is straight forward
Fairings off
Spindle undone
Brakes undone
Bottom bolts on forks undone
Lower triple bolts on forks undone
Top triple bolts undone
Stem nut undone (need a special tool for this)
Clip ons removed
bit of WD40 around the fork triple clamps and slide them out

Then bounce them on the floor and go "what the hell? These did nothing on the bike, they wouldn't go down, they wouldn't go up, they were just rock solid now they move freely, great I have a buggered bike *pick up fork leg to hear gluglugluglugluglugluglug *10 seconds later glug..glug..glug...glug* Well I am not a DR, and I don't know much about forks, but I am pretty sure they shouldn't do that"

This is how it sits at the moment, everything is at the machine shop now
https://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d112/pitslayer/IMG_20120509_131340.jpg
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 10 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wish i had room like that to work on mine when i did it, so much easier and less rush when its all in-doors.

BTW,the subframe.. or the lack of one (it's twisted Wink, all one piece with the main frame then ?
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PostPosted: 07:55 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I miss working on my Ducati. It was so logical and well thought out.
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 17 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

So today I have these
https://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d112/pitslayer/IMG_20120515_120206.jpg

And one of these
https://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d112/pitslayer/IMG_20120517_131311.jpg

Tomorrow I should have shims and my yoke drilled out, so maybe, just maybe end of play tomorrow a running bike

Just got to drill some holes in my new clip ons so that the buttons and switches locate.
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PostPosted: 17:32 - 17 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

nice reamer
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 17 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rotabroach apparently
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PostPosted: 18:07 - 17 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

rotorboar? just it go in a mag drill and have a spring loaded bin through the centre?
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 17 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope it is basically a big fuck off drill with hollow centre, like a hole saw for metal I guess, it just bores a bigger hole


Edit: And no it can't just go in a drill, it needs to be centred and stuff
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