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SteveSmith
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 08 Nov 2012    Post subject: Learning to filter Reply with quote

Hi, I'm a new rider - passed my test about a month ago. I'm now using my bike regularly around town (Bristol), and after a cautious start I'm now starting to think about filtering.

Yesterday evening at rush hour I was here, heading west. The traffic was stationary nose to tail, on a fairly narrow road with a wide bike lane on the left. I decided that the road was too narrow with too much oncoming traffic to pass the queue on the right, so I sat in it for a while, but two or three bikers came past me in the bike lane to my left. After a while I followed them past the traffic, into the bus lane further down and away.

It all worked and felt safe, but the question is is it a) legal, and b) a good idea to use cycle lanes to filter on the left like that?

Thanks very much,

Steve.
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 08 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think that is a legally enforceable 'cycles only' lane. It's got a dashed rather than solid line and I can't see any signs that would prevent a motorised vehicle from going in it.

It's not the best idea to use it for the fact that you're undertaking. All it takes is someone to open their door to get out, and you're in trouble! That necessarily limits your speed so if you're going to use it, you'd better do it slowly.

There's no such thing as safe filtering IMO - just "less risky" filtering.


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PostPosted: 17:35 - 08 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Over taking on the inside effectively, just have a good look around before you pass the plod in the queue
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 08 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trust your gut instinct.

In central London if there is no other option I will use the cycle lane (assuming it is a broken white line, not solid) because I feel that they are used enough by both cyclists and motorcycles that cars do check them before pulling left. Obviously used with lots of caution.

I live 15 miles or so out from central London and I would not use them near home, not used enough by bicycles and almost never by motorcycles, cars just pull straight across them without looking.

A good tip for filtering too, beware of gaps in the traffic. Why is there a gap and who is trying to fill it? Seen sooo many close calls from people (usually on scooters) tearing through "keep clear" boxes at junctions without thinking about cars actually pulling through the area into the side road.
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 08 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Master slow speed control and and think ahead and evaluate whether or not its safe/ worth it to filter or not eg..

if there was two massive lorries in the left and right lane, should you filter down the middle? etc..
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PostPosted: 17:49 - 08 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pro filtering tip: Use your brain instead of your balls.
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 08 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

keep a good eye on car tyres in front for their movement.
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 08 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Expect the Unexpected especially cars changing lanes, swerving in your way and blatantly trying to crush you "as they think its illegal". When you do filter watch the wheels of the vehicles they move first.

You will know when to filter and when not to filter it is like a gut feeling. Listen to that feeling.
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 08 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firstly decide how much you will gain in any situation by filtering. Often it is very little.
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 08 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

cimbian wrote:
Firstly decide how much you will gain in any situation by filtering. Often it is very little.


A little every here and there adds up to a lot.

Even just filtering a few cars to the front of every set of lights can get you home a few minutes earlier on even a short journey.

There's one street on my commute that's a complete pain to filter. I can do it but it's difficult. If I filter down that one street it can easily save me 5 minutes.
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 08 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

filter on one wheel shouting juuuuullllllaaaaaayyyyy
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PostPosted: 06:45 - 09 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember my first filter.

Stuck at lights with 3 cars ahead of me, biker filters beside me down to the front. Next set of lights i decided to copy his manoeuvre and pulled up next to him.
He was a mountain of a Swede riding a fucking huge trail bike.
He says to me 'i was wondering how long you would sit in traffic'.
I replied 'first time i've filtered and it feels good'
He then says to me whilst pointing at all the cagers behind us 'You have to show cagers that you're the king of the road and that 2 wheels is better than one'.
I've been hooked on filtering ever since.
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PostPosted: 07:56 - 09 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

cimbian wrote:
Firstly decide how much you will gain in any situation by filtering. Often it is very little.


Sometimes its most of your journey. I joined the M275 in Portsmouth and hit traffic right away. 5 miles later the M275 ended in the town centre and I had filtered the whole way. A journey that took 15 minutes or so would have taken hours.

Best advice for people learning to filter:

Know your bike width. If you think it wont fit then dont risk it.

Look at what the cars are doing. Some times, as said above, they do not like people getting ahead of them and will try and stop you getting past.

Be courteous, some cars will move over to allow you more room. Give them some kind of acknowlegement, a little wave. Its polite.

Try not to filter past junctions. You dont know what is going to pull out or if the car beside you is letting someone pull in/out.
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PostPosted: 08:18 - 09 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try briefly to look to see what is happening about 2+ cars ahead,
to see if lights are changing or is a car is looking to pull from a minor to a major ect...
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PostPosted: 08:19 - 09 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

covent.gardens wrote:
I don't think that is a legally enforceable 'cycles only' lane. It's got a dashed rather than solid line and I can't see any signs that would prevent a motorised vehicle from going in it.

It's not the best idea to use it for the fact that you're undertaking. All it takes is someone to open their door to get out, and you're in trouble! That necessarily limits your speed so if you're going to use it, you'd better do it slowly.

There's no such thing as safe filtering IMO - just "less risky" filtering.


You need to revise your Highway Code Sir.

"140
Cycle lanes. These are shown by road markings and signs. You MUST NOT drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a solid white line during its times of operation. Do not drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a broken white line unless it is unavoidable. You MUST NOT park in any cycle lane whilst waiting restrictions apply.
Law RTRA sects 5 & 8"
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PostPosted: 08:28 - 09 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: Learning to filter Reply with quote

SteveSmith wrote:
Hi, I'm a new rider - passed my test about a month ago. I'm now using my bike regularly around town (Bristol), and after a cautious start I'm now starting to think about filtering.

Yesterday evening at rush hour I was here, heading west. The traffic was stationary nose to tail, on a fairly narrow road with a wide bike lane on the left. I decided that the road was too narrow with too much oncoming traffic to pass the queue on the right, so I sat in it for a while, but two or three bikers came past me in the bike lane to my left. After a while I followed them past the traffic, into the bus lane further down and away.

It all worked and felt safe, but the question is is it a) legal, and b) a good idea to use cycle lanes to filter on the left like that?

Thanks very much,

Steve.


Filtering is simple.
Don't do it.

Or if you wish to make progress then do it with extreme caution.

If you get clipped by a twit you will normally be 50-50 as far as Blame goes. It is never simple if there is an incedent whilst filtering.

But it is relatively easy to get through most traffic by following a few tips:

Do not go too much faster than the slow moving traffic. 5-10MPH is useful.

Maintain awareness of surrounding, check mirrors for other bikers and (those Dicks on pedal bikes who like to mix it with traffic but are unable to wait for traffic light sequence) before filtering. SOmeone may have had the idea before you and could be ploughing a path toward the space you are about to fill.

Do not get into-it with the arseholes who move over to block your path. You caould be crushed. There are psychos at large you know.
Wait and when possible go around. It is part of the sport of beating cnuts in cars.

Beware of White vans. They are all driven by loonatiks on licence from HMP/The Department of Correction.

Enjoy making progress though stagnant traffic/being at the front.
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PostPosted: 09:07 - 09 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If in doubt, flat out.
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PostPosted: 09:15 - 09 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never try to filter between a queue and oncoming traffic.
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 09 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Never try to filter between a queue and oncoming traffic.


Why so, just curious as I do this daily Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 09 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Never try to filter between a queue and oncoming traffic.


On this note when you are "filtering" ask yourself whether you are really filtering or actually overtaking. I get the impression that many on here don't appreciate the difference between the two.

And in answer to your two questions; a) no (see Wallopers response)
b) No - car drivers won't be expecting you to be there and they rarely even check for cyclists on a cycle lane let alone anyone else!

I see lots of scooterists using bike lanes, I assume that they feel that they are just riding a push bike with a motor and are entitled to use the bike lane. I've lost count of the number of close calls I've seen because of this.

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PostPosted: 09:50 - 09 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

cimbian wrote:
Firstly decide how much you will gain in any situation by filtering. Often it is very little.


Filtering on my commute is the difference between 15 minutes and 40 minutes, that's a bit difference to me.

Generally if it's a solid white line, do nor cross it, if it's dotted it's fair game

I've gotten so used to filtering down the side of this https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Belgrave+Flyover,+Leicester&hl=en&ll=52.643662,-1.12745&spn=0.010559,0.01929&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=10.535375,19.753418&oq=belgrave+flyover+leic&hnear=Belgrave+Flyover,+Leicester+LE1,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=52.643381,-1.12769&panoid=LwsnvI_6tWAoUkBjCfz_RA&cbp=12,31.1,,0,12.36

That I found myself riding down that bit even when there was hardly any traffic Razz , nice hill too can haul ass coming down

that bus lane on far left should be avoided, dotted lines on the flyover are fair game

And just do it to do it, it's not hard, take your time at first, No no handed filtering down the duel carriageway at 40 like some idiots Shifty
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PostPosted: 10:08 - 09 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:

Generally if it's a solid white line, do nor cross it, if it's dotted it's fair game



Let's not guess at this eh!

The Highway Code wrote:
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Double white lines where the line nearest to you is broken. This means you may cross the lines to overtake if it is safe, provided you can complete the manoeuvre before reaching a solid white line on your side. White direction arrows on the road indicate that you need to get back onto your side of the road.
129

Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 26


Very specific laws and contravening them, particularly if you then have an incident will leave you in a world of pain, figuratively and actually more than likely.

It's also worth remembering that while it is legal to cross a broken white line followed by the solid white line a lot of motorists don't realise this and *won't be expecting it*. You're the squishy thing on the back of not much metal compared to the non-squishy large lump of metal that the shocked car driver is in control of!

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PostPosted: 10:12 - 09 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't underestimate how thick or deliberately aggressive p1ssed-off cagers in traffic can be. It's everyone's fault but theirs that they're trapped in a big, expensive metal box and are late home because of all the other big, expensive metal boxes Rolling Eyes There will be occasions when your p1ss is boiling, don't let it cloud your judgement with your ongoing riding.

Always say thanks to nice, observant people.

Although it is good to push yourself a little to develop your riding, don't feel compelled to. Some days you'll feel like the goddess (or god) of 'assertive' filtering other days you'll be more inclined to pootle through it all and challenge yourself less. There's no gun in your back, make sensible decisions you're happy with and don't take daft risks.
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 09 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I'm sure everybody above has said:

Do what you're comfortable doing. You need to go slow (ish) and watch out for anybody intending to turn right, pull out of side roads etc. Oh and also if any cager moves over for ya, it can't hurt to give em a wave, if they don't get a wave you'll have "mugged him off initz" and he won't move over again I feel.

Just go slow and steady and if you see another bike doing it, doesn't mean it's also safe for you to do it
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 09 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

cimbian wrote:
Firstly decide how much you will gain in any situation by filtering. Often it is very little.


How wrong is this statement if you ride in London.
It takes me 35ish minutes to do my commute while filtering, if I didn't, effectively turning the commute into a car journey it takes over twice as long.
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