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PostPosted: 09:36 - 15 Nov 2012    Post subject: waterproof grease. Reply with quote

What type or brand of water proof grease should be used on things such as the rear brake arm? Also when cleaning out the back brake (drum) should anything there be greased?
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 15 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: waterproof grease. Reply with quote

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What type or brand of water proof grease should be used on things such as the rear brake arm? Also when cleaning out the back brake (drum) should anything there be greased?


Castrol LM or similar is suitable and cheap too. You can apply a light smear of grease to the operating cam and the pivot in the drum but make sure it really is a light smear.
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 15 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

For high movement, low load applications (like wheel bearings) I'd use LM grease.

For Low movement, high load applications (like suspension bushes or brake pivots) I'd use Molybdenum disulphide grease.

For stationary parts I don't want to seize, I'd use copper grease.

For hydraulic seals on brake pistons I'd use red rubber grease.

For waterproofing of electrical connectors I'd use dielectric grease or vaseline.

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PostPosted: 11:09 - 15 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

For Waterproof Grease you need specific Waterproof Grease.

The good folk at ACF50 do a waterproof grease.
Or look at marine supplies.
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 15 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a tube of it - stinky horrible stuff.
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 15 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Unipart-Waterproof-Grease-500g/dp/B0045RII3A

Or

Castrol CL

https://www.castrol.com/castrol/sectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=9014109&contentId=7027101

These are specific for water resistance.

General Purpose grease is soap based Base oil mixed with soaps. Soap absorbs water therefore GP grease is not really suited to wet applications and a more specific waterproof product would be better.
If it's something that gets regular greasing then maybe no need as the wetted grease would be pushed out by the fresh grease.

Boats like WP grease as it is more resistant to water and sea water is full of salt. Good for chips bad for arteries and machinery.
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 15 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most greases incorporate a soap element - the type and form of the soap defines its use and characteristics. Other additives make it better in other areas (eg molybdenum disulphide, tackiness polymers etc).

That said, the CL grease is intended for use on chassis points so is a good barrier grease. There are better but more specialised options (eg agricultural use, deck use etc).
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PostPosted: 15:14 - 15 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I'm definitely not going to be buying 5 different types of grease lol whats the best one generally?
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 15 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have ACF50 grease, it's good stuff

didn't realise it was waterproof though
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 15 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikojh wrote:
Well I'm definitely not going to be buying 5 different types of grease lol whats the best one generally?


No matter what you put on the linkage it's going to wash off as it's an external thingie open to the elements.
The best thing would be LM grease as advised then a scoot of Underseal to keep the water out but allow the little bit of movement the linkage needs.

Or just grease it every time you wash the beast.

Or... You are going to have to spend 'some' cash to save effort. Smile
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PostPosted: 18:49 - 15 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd go for the LM as well, except now it's called Castrol Multipurpose Grease. Wink
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 15 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are rich Krytox is a good waterproof lube.

https://www.parker-international.co.uk/18217/Finish-Line-Extreme-Fluoro-Pure-PFPAE-Grease.html?referrer=froogle&utm_source=google&utm_medium=froogle&utm_campaign=pid18217

Good luck getting the stuff off once on! It isn't soluble in water, meths, paraffin, petrol, alcohol etc etc

I use it to keep the locking tab on my petrol cap from sticking, it been in there for a year sometimes immersed in petrol and its still doing its job.
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PostPosted: 04:37 - 16 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Temeluchus wrote:
If you are rich Krytox is a good waterproof lube.

https://www.parker-international.co.uk/18217/Finish-Line-Extreme-Fluoro-Pure-PFPAE-Grease.html?referrer=froogle&utm_source=google&utm_medium=froogle&utm_campaign=pid18217

Good luck getting the stuff off once on! It isn't soluble in water, meths, paraffin, petrol, alcohol etc etc

I use it to keep the locking tab on my petrol cap from sticking, it been in there for a year sometimes immersed in petrol and its still doing its job.


Teflon (polyethelcloromethanhydroboricanodonic:11 Smile ) based is good.

LM is Lithium and Molybdenum which are the important additives in General Purpose grease. The waterproof greases don't list LM in their make-up.

Greases are commonly three types.

General Purpose- Used generally
High Temperature- (Modified GP) Used in electric motor bearings a lot.
Waterproof- used mainly around water. Propshaft seals in boat hulls, stern drives, rudders etc.

Aeroplanes use even more specialised stuff due to cold temperature at altitude.

Normally, any grease is better than No grease at all.
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PostPosted: 08:28 - 16 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

LM is not a moly grease. It is a Lithium Multipurpose grease. Hence why LM grease is pale coloured, not grey/black.
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PostPosted: 08:57 - 16 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

weasley wrote:
LM is not a moly grease. It is a Lithium Multipurpose grease. Hence why LM grease is pale coloured, not grey/black.


LM Lithium-Moly grease. Is it the Acronym?

We know General Purpose Grease as GP MP works too. Trouble with letters it seems.

https://compare.ebay.co.uk/like/150728942620?var=lv<yp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar&cbt=y#

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PostPosted: 08:57 - 16 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

weasley wrote:
LM is not a moly grease. It is a Lithium Multipurpose grease. Hence why LM grease is pale coloured, not grey/black.


LM Lithium-Moly grease. Is it the Acronym?

We know General Purpose Grease as GP MP works too. Trouble with letters it seems.

https://compare.ebay.co.uk/like/150728942620?var=lv<yp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar&cbt=y#

Smile

https://www.machinerylubrication.com/


https://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/29062/different-grease-types
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 16 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, but a "general purpose" or multi-purpose grease (such as Castrol LM) is not a lithium-moly grease, it is a straight lithium grease. Moly greases tend to be more specialised and are not what you would normally use as a general purpose "slap it all over" grease.
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