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willybob1987
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PostPosted: 04:38 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: electrical problems Reply with quote

hey guys i have a slight problem with my electrics on my cg125 copy.
when i put the lights on it seems to kill the battery and the indicators wont work but will do when the lights are off. also when the lights are on and i press the brakes, it dims the lights a hell of alot, almost to the point of nothing.
i thought this was the battery at first so i replaced it but it made no difference at all.
please tell me somebody here has some ideas for me because im really losing my temper with this bloody thing now.

thanks alot Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 07:54 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

sounds to me like a bad earth
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

nightshaddow wrote:
sounds to me like a bad earth


Yep. This.

Check the main earth point where the black battery lead attaches to the frame.
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with the others, sounds like a dodgy earth in the lighting circuit somewhere.

What I would suggest is popping down to your local motor factors an getting a roll of black wire and some scotchlocks.

bit harsh, but chop the earth to each lamp and replace with new back to the battery (or daisy chain them if you are short on space).

Not a pretty solution, but one which will give you a good earth point for the lamps.

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PostPosted: 13:11 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

dolly3900 wrote:
Agree with the others, sounds like a dodgy earth in the lighting circuit somewhere.

What I would suggest is popping down to your local motor factors an getting a roll of black wire and some scotchlocks.

bit harsh, but chop the earth to each lamp and replace with new back to the battery (or daisy chain them if you are short on space).

Not a pretty solution, but one which will give you a good earth point for the lamps.

Mike


while thats acceptable it seems a bit extreme.

it could be something as simple as a bullet connector shaken loose or a bolt vibrated loose. in which case a pair of pliers to tighten the connector or a spanner and threadlock on the bolt.
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

dolly3900 wrote:
Agree with the others, sounds like a dodgy earth in the lighting circuit somewhere.

What I would suggest is popping down to your local motor factors an getting a roll of black wire and some scotchlocks.

bit harsh, but chop the earth to each lamp and replace with new back to the battery (or daisy chain them if you are short on space).

Not a pretty solution, but one which will give you a good earth point for the lamps.

Mike


Using scotchloks is never a good idea - they're terrible connectors and have no place in any decent autoelectric wiring setup!

If you have to splice wiring then use proper crimp connectors and a decent ratchet type crimp tool.

There really shouldn't be any need to hack the wiring about, all you're doing there is introducing future points of failure in the system. Just identify the bad connection and fix that. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have suggested soldering the connections so as to ensure a great electrical connection, but being unsure of the level of skill of the OP, was not sure how good they were.

Suggested Scotchlocks as they are easy to find and use.


The crimp connections are in my opinion just as bad a connection type as them, but at least you don't need special tools for the original solution.
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

dolly3900 wrote:
I would have suggested soldering the connections so as to ensure a great electrical connection, but being unsure of the level of skill of the OP, was not sure how good they were.

Suggested Scotchlocks as they are easy to find and use.


The crimp connections are in my opinion just as bad a connection type as them, but at least you don't need special tools for the original solution.


You're entitled to your opinion of course but scotchloks? Really? Laughing

Crimps are far more secure and far more reliable if correctly made. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:
You're entitled to your opinion of course but scotchloks? Really? Laughing

Crimps are far more secure and far more reliable if correctly made. Thumbs Up


for what i've heard crimps are more secure and reliable even if done with a pair of pliers than scotchloks Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the subject of scotch locks etc, Just look at what manufacturers use, They use proper crimp connectors that rarely fail. Scotch locks fail all the time.

Soldering is IMO a great option vs correctly used crimp connections (And I'm not talking about spade/bullet terminals and that kind of stuff).
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

dolly3900 wrote:
Agree with the others, sounds like a dodgy earth in the lighting circuit somewhere.

What I would suggest is popping down to your local motor factors an getting a roll of black wire and some scotchlocks.

bit harsh, but chop the earth to each lamp and replace with new back to the battery (or daisy chain them if you are short on space).

Not a pretty solution, but one which will give you a good earth point for the lamps.

Mike


That's a terrible idea, don't do this Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 16 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok well when i replaced the battery i also replaced the earth cable that connects the negative terminal on the battery to the frame so i know its not that. is there any other earthing points that i can check?

thanks for the help guys
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 16 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depending on how much of a copy it it, here's the wiring diagram (taking from the wiring thread https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=2322761#2322761 ) for the CG:

https://s574.beta.photobucket.com/user/hmmmnz1/media/Honda/rebelcmx25087-89.gif.html

Get yourself a multimeter and start checking all the lighting earths
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 16 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

willybob1987 wrote:
ok well when i replaced the battery i also replaced the earth cable that connects the negative terminal on the battery to the frame so i know its not that. is there any other earthing points that i can check?

thanks for the help guys


Check ALL the wiring!
Get a multimeter, tests voltages when starting, when off, when lights are on etc compare and contrast

Maybe your gen isn't charging the battery and the lights suck it dry?
Then again I thought the lights were wired direct to the gen on CGs as it gets brighter with revs
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 19 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks guys. when i get abit of time i will borrow a multimetre and get checking all my wiring. iv heard people talk about the "rectifier" when also taking about electrical problems in older posts. is this worth checking out aswell?
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