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PostPosted: 13:27 - 18 Jan 2013    Post subject: Warm air blowing hand guards Reply with quote

I was riding home last night and think I had a good idea but I'm not sure if it would work? If it is terrible feel free to point and laugh.

I was thinking of buying some cheap second hand off-road style hand guards like this:

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And running some flexible hose (like a hoover pipe) from behind the engine block into the front of the guards so that it blows hot air onto my hands. I would either drill a hole and pop the pipe through or mold a flange and attach the pipe and cable tie it tight.

I'm unsure if the air would be hot enough to counter the minus eleventy temperatures we get at the peak of winter. I'm also unsure if the Venturi effect of the wind over the guards would create a sufficient drop in pressure to draw the air through the pipes? Assuming the air gets hot enough but doesn't suck through the pipes it would be easy enough to wire two small fans to the ends of the pipes. Though fans kind of defeat the object which is a heating method which can be fitted and removed in less than 10 minutes.

I work in a workshop now so I could actually put something together easily enough, probably a bit late for this year but certainly for next winter.

So, thoughts please?
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 18 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Considered this morning. Wouldn't work. No heat was being blown from my engine at 70mph. Physically, it was too hot to touch, no air blowing though.

Muffs and heated grips are the best combination since cheese and marmite.
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 18 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know if it would be better than just getting muffs personally.

Yambabe has done something along the same lines: https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=1961068#1961068
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 18 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It might work on a Buell where the fan under the seat blows hot air out. You'd need to start with a wide hose behind the radiator, and you'd need to then go down to a narrow hose to get enough speed in the air to transfer any heat to your hands. The handguards wouldn't keep a still enough air pocket behind them to keep your hands warm.

Hoover tubes, sealed at one end with small holes in by your hand might work if you had powerful enough fan to blow the air through the tubes and suck air through the rad. I'm not hopeful though, otherwise lots of other people would have done it.

Heated grips are probably more efficient.
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 18 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hadn't seen that before, great minds Cool

Seems like it would works though.
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PostPosted: 15:38 - 18 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heated muffs?

Run some hose up from your radiator, bit of copper pipe running around inside muffs, leak, scalding water on your hands OMG IT BURNS IT BURNS IT- crash, giblets everywhere, pics.

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PostPosted: 17:54 - 18 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yambabe did make some Laughing Have a read of that

https://www.therevcounter.com/uk-motorbike-forum/26782-shonktastic-new-way-heating-grips.html
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PostPosted: 18:16 - 18 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 18:23 - 18 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

ive got some handguards you can buy, BRAND new, with the metal brace running inside so really strong.

They are black, £15 posted if you want them..
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 18 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once made a bodge tastic hot air hand warmer for my first moped, a honda today. Being force air cooled it was easy to divert some hot wind, the tubing was swimming pool vacuum hose, and even at idle it was pleasant. The police thought i was attempting some kind of ram air set up so i removed it. On a bike the speeds are higher and areas of pressure and vacuum are not very easy to see without a wind tunnel.

I like the idea of using engine coolant to heat the bars, would definitely need a control valve on that though. It seems this would be cheaper to do in production than heated grips, but your bars would need a bleed nipple.
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 18 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a fared bike it could work if you took air from behind the radiator as most of it, including some heat from the headers comes out of the side vents. I can keep my left hand warm by dangling my digits near the vent, shame about the throttle hand.
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 18 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

German Army in second World war on the Eastern front with Russia on there BMW and Zunzapps they mounted a pipe off the exhaust going into handle bars effectively early heated grips.
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PostPosted: 02:19 - 19 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once made a bodge tastic hot air hand warmer for my first moped, a honda today. Being force air cooled it was easy to divert some hot wind, the tubing was swimming pool vacuum hose, and even at idle it was pleasant. The police thought i was attempting some kind of ram air set up so i removed it. On a bike the speeds are higher and areas of pressure and vacuum are not very easy to see without a wind tunnel.

I like the idea of using engine coolant to heat the bars, would definitely need a control valve on that though. It seems this would be cheaper to do in production than heated grips, but your bars would need a bleed nipple.
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PostPosted: 06:52 - 19 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 07:06 - 19 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

thepuma wrote:


I wonder if Deborah would ever let me knead 'em?

But seriously - I'd hit that shit. I know, I know. The Horror. I actually would though.
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PostPosted: 09:07 - 19 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevor machine wrote:
thepuma wrote:


I wonder if Deborah would ever let me knead 'em?

But seriously - I'd hit that shit. I know, I know. The Horror. I actually would though.



I hear you man.

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PostPosted: 10:22 - 19 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 11:26 - 19 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you wanted to put the effort in, water heating would probably work. Wrapping a load of copper piping around the exhaust, along with an electric pump.

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PostPosted: 11:39 - 19 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

without actually reading the whole thread, so I don't know if anyone has actually mentioned it, but would it not be a little simpler to run a small water pipe up to the hand guards (on water cooled bikes of course)...

For exaple if I was to add a T junction where possible then run a loop to each side of the handlebars, insulated (and hidden) where it's needed, then there would be a supply of warm water running up to the grips, which would radiate the heat because of the lack of air flow (possibly). Also since there would be no real modification it would be simple enough to take the pipes off and refit the old junctions.

Or just buy heated grips and muffs....

Edit, just read it's already been suggested, not sure how it would spray scalding water ovver you though.... all the pipes that's on the bike that could do that then Confused
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 19 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 11:49 - 19 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not suitable for wanking?
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 19 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

andym wrote:
without actually reading the whole thread, so I don't know if anyone has actually mentioned it, but would it not be a little simpler to run a small water pipe up to the hand guards (on water cooled bikes of course)...

For exaple if I was to add a T junction where possible then run a loop to each side of the handlebars, insulated (and hidden) where it's needed, then there would be a supply of warm water running up to the grips, which would radiate the heat because of the lack of air flow (possibly). Also since there would be no real modification it would be simple enough to take the pipes off and refit the old junctions.

Or just buy heated grips and muffs....

Edit, just read it's already been suggested, not sure how it would spray scalding water ovver you though.... all the pipes that's on the bike that could do that then Confused



Yet nobody has mentioned the possible extra pressure put onto the water pump at the bottom? Might break something.
Surely It'd be better to harvest the exhaust gases and run them through the bars? Only if you could weld mind..
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 19 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevor machine wrote:
Not suitable for wanking?


That too.


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PostPosted: 12:02 - 19 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

mysterious_rider wrote:
Yet nobody has mentioned the possible extra pressure put onto the water pump at the bottom? Might break something.
Surely It'd be better to harvest the exhaust gases and run them through the bars? Only if you could weld mind..


Would it really cause that much extra pressure on the pump? 3m of 5mm plastic pipe (roughly)... gravity would help out a bit with the water too, if there was more pipe running down than up then it would help ease the strain a bit.

I feel a bit of experimenting is needed Very Happy
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