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RockandGrohl
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PostPosted: 11:24 - 19 Feb 2013    Post subject: Trading a 500CC for a 125 + cash Reply with quote

So I've been trying and failing to pass my module 1 Bike test on the 500CC bikes, each time I fail on the Emergency Brake and each time it's a costly £60 that I don't really have to spend frivolously. My Honda CB 500S has been sat in the garage for over a year now waiting for me to pass my test to use it but I feel like I am going to continually be wasting my money trying to pass the Module 1, then module 2.

The problem is that prior to my CBT, I've had zilch experience driving on the road, so I'm finding not only the handling of the bike something to get used to (I'm actually fairly good at everything else and have no problems at all in Module 1 apart from that damn Emergency Brake. I'm either too slow through the barriers, take a fraction too long to finish stopping and on one occasion when it was pissing down with rain, skidded a back tire on stopped. It's like, I'm a freaking learner. Come on. I understand why they have to stop you but still it's a bit harsh.


Anyway I was thinking of trading my 500CC with a 125 + Cash just so I could get the road and bike experience, so that when I come back to passing my full license I won't be such a general bike and road newbie.


Would you guys kindly recommend any 125's for me? I have to say that as I already own a 500CC sport-style bike that something in a similar vein is important, although what is more important is the reliability and stability, as I have heard nothing but good about the CB500's


My CB500S is in very good condition too, with a scuff on the engine casing being the only visible defect.

Thank you,
- Chris
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 19 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

What year CB500 and mileage?

Would recommend a Varadero.
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 19 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
What year CB500 and mileage?

Would recommend a Varadero.


+1 it has the look of a big bike (and is taller than a CB500).
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 19 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The brake test is just about having confidence and knowing how much abuse you can give the levers before it locks up. Sure you will get it eventually.

Everyone here will say that some experience is good experience, regardless of cc or style, even if it's just being sensible on a scooter and learning roadcraft and fine-tuning your obs.

As hopefully you'll be back on a big bike, I'd just plump for a decent CG, YBR or SR or Vavadero and then take things from there.

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PostPosted: 11:41 - 19 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

to be fair if you gonna use/abuse it for a short time to get road craft and practice keep the cb and find a dirt cheap fix her upper

i recently rebuilt a ns 125 r for less than 400 of the queens finest and a couple of years ago i built (yes chinese) a por apache for less than £200,

thing is the varedero is an awesome bike, but you drop it practicing emergency stops its no longer a varadero it a very dear oh!!!!

prices on ebay currently (1140 19/02/13) start at £21 for a 125cc bike so take your pick

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2013-Zongshen-Pursuit-125cc-Motorcycle-Custom-Cruiser-Like-Lexmoto-Ranger-/190800238474?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item2c6c94978a
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 19 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't sell the bike, just learn to brake for gods sake!!

Adjust the rear brake so that it barely works or the pedal is far below its normal position so you can't exert enough pressure on it.
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 19 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seriously just 'pretend' to use the rear brake, don't put any pressure on it at all Thumbs Up That's what I did Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 19 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slacker24seven wrote:
Don't sell the bike, just learn to brake for gods sake!!

This!

For locking the rear up, the advice I was given for my DAS 'back in the day' was "just move the back brake a little so they see your foot move - use the front for stopping".

I would talk to a school and ask if you can get half a day practice doing this or something.
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 19 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont give up dude! If all you have to worry about is the emergency stop then it sounds like you have good bike control.
How many times have you failed mod1? some people take 3 or 4 attempts at it because its so gay.
Yeah dont use the back brake on the emergency stop, just move your foot onto the brake pedal so you wont lock the back wheel up.
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 19 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi pal

I would stick with the 500 a chap I sat my mod 1 said he had failed it 16 times ! Shocked Shocked

You want to practise with a friend on a unused car park getting him to stick his hand up randomly.

My instructor told me to imagine squeezing an orange for the front brake you gradually press harder and harder to squeeze all the juice out (apply this method to the front brake) and to lightly press the back brake.

Remember the front brake stops you quicker as the suspensions travel takes some of the speed. Also make sure you do your life saver checks when you stop.

Hope this helps

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PostPosted: 13:54 - 19 Feb 2013    Post subject: Re: Trading a 500CC for a 125 + cash Reply with quote

RockandGrohl wrote:
what is more important is the reliability and stability

Then for the love of god, don't trade down from a 500 to a 125.

Your CB is designed to be just about the easiest bike to ride, ever, and is way more stable than a 125.

Man-or-woman up, throttle on, throttle off, front brake only, pass.
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 19 Feb 2013    Post subject: Re: Trading a 500CC for a 125 + cash Reply with quote

I agree, learn to brake properly and don't just give up.

However, I couldn't resist.

RockandGrohl wrote:
Honda CB 500S... I already own a 500CC sport-style bike


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PostPosted: 14:22 - 19 Feb 2013    Post subject: Re: Trading a 500CC for a 125 + cash Reply with quote

_Troy_ wrote:
However, I couldn't resist.

RockandGrohl wrote:
Honda CB 500S... I already own a 500CC sport-style bike


Laughing

Well!
A 0-60 in 5 seconds competes with most sensibly priced sports cars!
It also has the appearance of a "proper bike" due to the size, which makes non-bikers assume it's fast/sporty (and it arguably is!).
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PostPosted: 14:52 - 19 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mmmm

I'll trade you my ybr and my cg for it
Both have no MOT

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PostPosted: 16:33 - 19 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did write a post offering to swap for my varadero 125, but you'd go pass your test and want to swap back.

I used to brake mainly with the rear before going to do my tests, during a practice test I managed a 6ft skid during which I released and re-applied the rear brake which my instructor was quite impressed with.

What I was taught to do was to brake with the front first, then just drag the rear a bit to assist.
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 19 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

cameron1590 wrote:
Hi pal

I would stick with the 500 a chap I sat my mod 1 said he had failed it 16 times ! Shocked Shocked

You want to practise with a friend on a unused car park getting him to stick his hand up randomly.

My instructor told me to imagine squeezing an orange for the front brake you gradually press harder and harder to squeeze all the juice out (apply this method to the front brake) and to lightly press the back brake.

Remember the front brake stops you quicker as the suspensions travel takes some of the speed. Also make sure you do your life saver checks when you stop.

Hope this helps

Cameron


Hi mate, got a couple issues with your post - he failed 16 times? At £60 a pop that's £960 - the cost of a decent 500CC motorbike.

And secondly you don't have to do life saver when you stop, or at any point during the mod 1, you just have to do visibility checks each time before you set off in any direction :3

My plan is to basically trade the bike for a 125, get good, then in a few months sell the bike and re-buy a 500.

Thank you all for your help so far Smile
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PostPosted: 16:50 - 19 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mod 1 is £15 Confused
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 19 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oddly the e-stop is what I found easiest on a 500, the extra weight and better brakes i'm guessing
Just roll off the second you're through the trap and squeeze on the front, you barely need any rear

Just don't snatch it, squeeeeeeze!

Yeah mod1 is £15 but bike hire is usually £50 for the day
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 19 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

RockandGrohl wrote:
cameron1590 wrote:
Hi pal

I would stick with the 500 a chap I sat my mod 1 said he had failed it 16 times ! Shocked Shocked

You want to practise with a friend on a unused car park getting him to stick his hand up randomly.

My instructor told me to imagine squeezing an orange for the front brake you gradually press harder and harder to squeeze all the juice out (apply this method to the front brake) and to lightly press the back brake.

Remember the front brake stops you quicker as the suspensions travel takes some of the speed. Also make sure you do your life saver checks when you stop.

Hope this helps

Cameron


Hi mate, got a couple issues with your post - he failed 16 times? At £60 a pop that's £960 - the cost of a decent 500CC motorbike.

And secondly you don't have to do life saver when you stop, or at any point during the mod 1, you just have to do visibility checks each time before you set off in any direction :3

My plan is to basically trade the bike for a 125, get good, then in a few months sell the bike and re-buy a 500.

Thank you all for your help so far Smile


In which case, how much were you looking to get for your 500cc?
I'm hoping to sell my varadero for enough to cover buying a 500cc, restricting it and insuring it.

Where abouts are you?

If you're skidding a 500cc bike, you're probably going to skid a 125 and not reach the required speed, even on the varadero you have to be staying above 20 on the corner.

If you take it again on a 500cc, keep it in 2nd so you can open the throttle to make speed before braking.

You are aware that if you take your test on a 125, that's what you're limited to aren't you?
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PostPosted: 17:49 - 19 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Black Sheep wrote:
enough to cover buying a 500cc, restricting it and insuring it.


Hopefully enough to buy some comfy pillows.

A standard CB500 will put you to sleep, a restricted one will basically render you comatose.

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PostPosted: 18:01 - 19 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
A standard CB500 will put me to sleep

EFA. One day you'll get too much blood in your adrenaline system, then we can talk about fitting your out for your first pair of slippers. Razz

Getting some experience on a 125 is actually a decent idea, but only because they're trickier to ride. I guess if you can do the stop on a 125, you can do it on a 500+.

It just seems a bit perverse to sell a decent 500 in order to finance it, but then again, that's how I got my GPZ - swapped it for a 125 via Gumtree. Thinking

So, er, go for it. Varadero would be a keeper, but any Japanese branded 125 will hold its value and get you some confidence. Slap it up on Gumtree, wade through the dozens of people offering you a job lot of HD-DVD players or a go on their sister, hold out for something decent.
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PostPosted: 18:06 - 19 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
Mod 1 is £15 Confused


It's £60 when you are with an instructor - you have to rent their bike, pay the insurance, instructor time etc. According to my instructor, and this is just what he told me so don't shoot the messenger. The £60 makes them break even on costs, and other companies in Swindon charge about £120 for a mod 1.


Also, just got this PM. Not sure what to think of it.

"I'll nick your CB500 assuming you have full insurance cover?

I'll make it look good you can claim back on insurance.

I will even throw in my peugeot 125cc speedfight to get the desired road experience you want."

From JiveBunny.

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PostPosted: 18:10 - 19 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Black Sheep wrote:

In which case, how much were you looking to get for your 500cc?
I'm hoping to sell my varadero for enough to cover buying a 500cc, restricting it and insuring it.

Where abouts are you?

If you're skidding a 500cc bike, you're probably going to skid a 125 and not reach the required speed, even on the varadero you have to be staying above 20 on the corner.

If you take it again on a 500cc, keep it in 2nd so you can open the throttle to make speed before braking.

You are aware that if you take your test on a 125, that's what you're limited to aren't you?



I'm not looking to retake just yet. I said I wanted to build up my confidence with biking in general on a 125 and then retake on the 500cc when I feel I can do it and pass it instead of failing 3 times on the same damn thing.
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PostPosted: 18:19 - 19 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing with all emergency stops is there is no emergency stop at all... it's more a quick, controlled slow down more than stop. A lot of people make the mistake of trying to stop right at the examiner... as long as you don't go through the fence then you are fine (OK I believe you have to stop before the cones used to mark the start of the U turn).
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 19 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

andym wrote:
The thing with all emergency stops is there is no emergency stop at all... it's more a quick, controlled slow down more than stop. A lot of people make the mistake of trying to stop right at the examiner... as long as you don't go through the fence then you are fine (OK I believe you have to stop before the cones used to mark the start of the U turn).


I still stopped well well well before the "end stop" cones for the first cornering exercise (the 20mph stop) and failed.

So my CB500S has no MOT, TAX or Insurance, it's a W reg bike. 29,259 on the clock - been sat in the garage for about a year. If anyone is interested in a swap for a 125 let me know Smile
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