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j.silvs
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Can I Jump Start Bike From Car? Reply with quote

As title says really.

Think I left my parking light on the bike and have come to a flat battery.

If I put positive on to bike and car, and neg on car to say like a foot peg or something will this work?

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PostPosted: 18:13 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, but dont start the car.
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turkish wrote:
Yes, but dont start the car.


Why not, ignore this Laughing You'll be able to do that no worries.
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
Turkish wrote:
Yes, but dont start the car.


Why not, ignore this Laughing You'll be able to do that no worries.


Because there is no need.
If the car has a healthy battery that will start the car engine, it's not going to have any problems with a bike engine.
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I keep reading thing about people saying it could fry ECU, or electrics on the bike...

This true? - if it's kind of 50/50 I may just buy a charger?
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've jump started cars off my bike and bikes off cars, my friends Clio sport will not let you drain power unless the ignition is on. Some french safety cut out bollocks.

So it had to be running anyway. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:23 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
Turkish wrote:
Yes, but dont start the car.


Why not, ignore this Laughing You'll be able to do that no worries.


Meh. I was think about the reg/rec popping... the electrical systems might not work well together? The capacity of a car battery is massive, why risk it.
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
I've jump started cars off my bike and bikes off cars, my friends Clio sport will not let you drain power unless the ignition is on. Some french safety cut out bollocks.

So it had to be running anyway. Thumbs Up


How would that even work? I'm sure if you connected jump leads directly to the battery you could still drain it if you wanted to.
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PostPosted: 18:30 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uhuh but you have to remove the battery.

You cannot get to it, hidden behind covers, it has a large jump point which is only active when IGN in set to on.
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get paranoid that I'll fry my electrics if I start the car, so never do. It fires up first time with the car engine off anyway.

During winter months my bike doesn't move for a couple of weeks at a time and the battery is always flat. I can't be bothered to bump start in the freezing cold, so I always jump it from the car.

Once she's warmed up and I've ridden it for a few minutes, she fires up on the button every time. I don't think there's any issues.

Arrow NB - I know this probably won't apply to your bike seeing as it has parking lights and all that shabaz but just in case anyone else is reading. Don't do this if you have an older 6v bike. That said, I don't think anyone who owns and rides a 6v bike will need to be told that lol.
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the car running, the alternator is forcing amps into the batteries. Cars run higher ampereage than bikes and so the bike battery and reg/rec cant handle what's being pumped into by the car. I fried a battery/reg/rec doing this.
With the car off the bike merely draws all it needs from the car battery.

It's the difference between drinking from a fire hose and a normal drinking straw.
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

dragstaar wrote:

Don't do this if you have an older 6v bike. That said, I don't think anyone who owns and rides a 6v bike will need to be told that lol.


Normally our kind have a kickstart anyway. Wink Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turkish wrote:

Meh. I was think about the reg/rec popping... the electrical systems might not work well together? The capacity of a car battery is massive, why risk it.


Cars charge their batteries at the same voltage as bikes do. The electrical systems work on the same voltage. A bikes starting and ignition system will only take the current it requires - even if the car system could deliver a billion amps, the bike will only take what it needs.
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all replies, my mate just so happened to mention he has a battery charger so will be using that! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't worry about it. Jump started my old 125 with an Audi.

You don't even need to start the car.
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PostPosted: 20:12 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I jump started my bike with a car.

Though... my bike is 500cc and the car was 850cc... so I wasn't worried for a second Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:02 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

no problem jumping off any battery that is powerfull enough

i used to work for a tyre fitting company that did hgv's and quite often would jump my 125 from one of a trucks batterys
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It'll be fine, jumped my diversion off a campervan with ignition on and both leads connected
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:
Turkish wrote:

Meh. I was think about the reg/rec popping... the electrical systems might not work well together? The capacity of a car battery is massive, why risk it.


Cars charge their batteries at the same voltage as bikes do. The electrical systems work on the same voltage. A bikes starting and ignition system will only take the current it requires - even if the car system could deliver a billion amps, the bike will only take what it needs.


This is notionally true; the normal charging voltage is 13.4v, but there is a bigger tolerence on it from a car's alternator, as generally the battery is larger and better able to damp voltage fluctuations.

The bikes regulator, normally doesn't have the current handling capacity of a cars regulator, and the battery wont damp fluctuations as well, being smaller.

Put jump leads from running car, to bike, and the bikes electrics can see voltage spikes it wouldn't normally see, with a lot of potential amps behind them....

But what can damage the regulator, is that they are on the wrong side of the regulator bridge.

Bikes genny, puts volts to regulator, regulator puts volts to battery....

You then put less well regulated current on the battery... to jump start the engine, so your bikes generator isn't making any volts on the suply side of the regulator, you have the bikes regulator trying to resist the noisy supply provided by car alternator.... And its that that CAN.... damage them... because the car's electric is trying to get through the rectifier the wrong way.

Most of the time, it'll be fine. Some regulators are more tolerant that others and brief jump might not put enough strain on even a weak one to do damage.

BUT not best practice...

I Also find its often bludy awkward to get jumpers onto many bike batteries, especially if they are still in the tight battery box on the bike....

So easiest way is to take bike battery out and boost-charge the bike battery OFF the bike, on the jump-leads from the car, engine running.

If you need the extra amps from the car electrics to get the bike to start... then there's more wrong than a jump-start will fix.
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Tef says.
Probably be fine, but there's a chance that the running car alternator will fuk you.

I've fitted an Anderson plug to my current bike. Makes charging easy, and jumping possible (battery is under and up the tank ffs).
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eh? Regulators don't work that way round - maybe one of the old electromechanical shunt jobbies might have but a semiconductor regulator whether thyristor based or mosfet based certainly won't.. If a slightly higher voltage appears from the charging vehicle the bike's regulator won't do a thing and it certainly won't be damaged by it. Additionally, any spikes from the car's reg/rec (and there's no real reason that there should be) will be absorbed by the massive extremely low impedance smoothing device that is the car's battery..
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

jnw010 wrote:
As Tef says.
Probably be fine, but there's a chance that the running car alternator will fuk you.


Highly unlikely indeed for the reasons I've just given. Wink


jnw010 wrote:
I've fitted an Anderson plug to my current bike. Makes charging easy, and jumping possible (battery is under and up the tank ffs).


That's one of the things I love about my Optimate - just plug the bugger in to the fly lead and away you go. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

No way can you do this, car volts are not the same as bike volts and you should never try to mix them. The amperage may seem similar but it will not be compatible.
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg630/haroman6661/DSC05723.jpg

This is what happens when you jump from a running car.
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
No way can you do this, car volts are not the same as bike volts and you should never try to mix them. The amperage may seem similar but it will not be compatible.


It's worse when you mix British or American volts with Japanese volts. Razz
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