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PostPosted: 09:21 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Pulled over, 3 points £100 fine Reply with quote

Previous week - I had a new chain and sprockets for £160. Mechanic told me I have about 500 miles left on my rear tyre. No worries I thought. I'll get it done next week... Thumbs Down

Fast forward a week, and 200 miles later, I set off on my bike yesterday morning and when I was outside a garage a guy ran out to tell me that my rear tyre looked flat. So I rode to Morrisons to pump it up.

JUST as I got to morrisons and was outside the pump, coppers came in to check my tyre. Well, it had about 4 psi and 0.4mm in the middle of the tyre.

Cops were fine with me, but screw the mechanic who said I had 500 miles left. Although I should've checked it myself, I took his word for it. Middle Finger

I even told the cop I intended (as I actually did) to call up Bpool Honda and get a new tyre sorted this very day. I did that anyway, cost me £140 for a Bridgestone BT-02 and new rear brake pads.

Queue 3 points and a £100 fine. Do I need to contact my insurers immediately? Bike is up for renewal in October.
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PostPosted: 09:36 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, tell all your insurers now. it wont affect anything until you renew it
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PostPosted: 09:44 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is what you get for going to a mechanic.

Check depth, anything below 2mm I'd stick a new one on anyway. 500 granny miles maybe, but start ragging it on cold tyres or doing anything over 50 and you'll start eating the tyre.
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Re: Pulled over, 3 points £100 fine Reply with quote

J7mbo wrote:
Queue 3 points and a £100 fine.

You've been to court already?

What did they use to measure the tread?


J7mbo wrote:
Do I need to contact my insurers immediately?

Entirely depends on your terms and conditions. I've read mine, I'd invite anyone minded to give an absolute answer to go and read theirs.
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PostPosted: 10:18 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Re: Pulled over, 3 points £100 fine Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

You've been to court already?

What did they use to measure the tread?


This little sharp needle thing they put into the tread and it measures it automatically. They made me sign 'something', I said "I'm not signing my life away am I?" and the guy said "nope, just to acknowledge it's you riding the bike" or something along those lines.
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PostPosted: 10:19 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took my S1000RR for its first MoT last month. I knew I needed a tyre but was off to sunnier climes in a few days and planned to replace both when next home. (Money no object).
Any hoo, the mechanic caloled me to say the bike passed but the back tyre never. It had about 0.2mm where someone had scrubbed the last of it off in an overenthusisaciated weekend blast a couple of days before. Embarassed

A bike tyre doesn't take that long to go from fine to fine. Wink
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah well, fair cop (beyond a reasonable doubt), chalk that one up to experience.
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PostPosted: 10:35 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you sign without reading it...

Oh shit Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:20 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Did you sign without reading it...

Oh shit Laughing

Well, at least that's the Gareth Williams murder cleared up now. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:58 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have read everything before signing anything. Even if it means sitting on the kerb and holding them up for half an hour while you go through it.
You can get tyre tread depth gauges on eBay for like a tenner, if that. Maybe not bang-on but will give you a good idea.
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Lee wrote:
I would have read everything before signing anything. Even if it means sitting on the kerb and holding them up for half an hour while you go through it.
You can get tyre tread depth gauges on eBay for like a tenner, if that. Maybe not bang-on but will give you a good idea.


I'd expect it to be bang on for a tenner, you can get a digital vernier for less than that!
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

No excuses really by my reckoning, its so easy to see the rear tyre of a bike and even easier to see if its knackered.
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being the sad type I actually spent some time looking at tyre tread depth gauges and came to the conclusion that most of not all including the digital ones are inaccurate.

If you look at the tread cut out in a motorcycle tyre you will see that it isn't square cut it is radiused (rounded) unlike a car that tends to have a square cut. This is because corners create stress point and would cause pieces of tread to rip off under heavy breaking and acceleration.
Most Tyre tread depth gauges have a square cut end so when used on motorcycles tend to measure the radius not the centre tread depth as to do this the tool end would need to be pointed. This means when the tread is measured it gives a false reading, this false reading dependant on the width on the tread and the radius measurement could be over 1mm so a legal tyre suddenly becomes illegal.
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Did you sign without reading it...

Oh shit Laughing


There wasn't actually anything to read, just this device with a signature box on that's it.

sickpup wrote:
Most Tyre tread depth gauges have a square cut end so when used on motorcycles tend to measure the radius not the centre tread depth as to do this the tool end would need to be pointed.


Yeah, it was definitely a pointed one. I watched him use it. Guy was a biker himself so knew what he was doing.
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

J7mbo wrote:
Guy was a biker himself so knew what he was doing.


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PostPosted: 14:48 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

J7mbo wrote:

Guy was a biker himself so knew what he was doing.


Did he have / used to have a fireblade? Question
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

J7mbo wrote:
Yeah, it was definitely a pointed one. I watched him use it. Guy was a biker himself so knew what he was doing.


You sure about that? This is the type the Police use and it isn't pointed.

Did the officer zero the gauge before use?
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joncrete Cungle wrote:
J7mbo wrote:

Guy was a biker himself so knew what he was doing.


Did he have / used to have a fireblade? Question


Lol, nah. Rides the police BMW bikes. Old bastard telling me about his bikes, so I believed him. Smile

sickpup wrote:
J7mbo wrote:
Yeah, it was definitely a pointed one. I watched him use it. Guy was a biker himself so knew what he was doing.


You sure about that? This is the type the Police use and it isn't pointed.

Did the officer zero the gauge before use?


The end was a small sharp metal pointed one. Definitely, which is a shame otherwise I would've chased that up... but nope, I watched him do it as I was curious - metal bit right in the middle of the tyre. Shame they couldn't have let me off as I only lived down the road. Have no idea about the zeroing of the gauge though, but I don't think I'd be able to argue that one against two cops (forgot to mention there were two in the car).
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joncrete Cungle wrote:
J7mbo wrote:

Guy was a biker himself so knew what he was doing.


Did he have / used to have a fireblade? Question



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PostPosted: 16:01 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joncrete Cungle wrote:
J7mbo wrote:

Guy was a biker himself so knew what he was doing.


Did he have / used to have a fireblade? Question


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PostPosted: 16:30 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
You sure about that? This is the type the Police use and it isn't pointed.

In my very local neck of the woods, the neighbourhood bobby uses the £1 eBay effort that she "borrowed" from me and never gave back, and while I think about it, her Mister still has my electrical tape as well. Bloody police, can't trust 'em as far as you can spit 'em. Mad
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
sickpup wrote:
You sure about that? This is the type the Police use and it isn't pointed.

In my very local neck of the woods, the neighbourhood bobby uses the £1 eBay effort that she "borrowed" from me and never gave back, and while I think about it, her Mister still has my electrical tape as well. Bloody police, can't trust 'em as far as you can spit 'em. Mad


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PostPosted: 18:05 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a few things worth checking.

Did the officer record the DOT Tire Identification Number?

Was he trained to use the tread depth measurement device that he used?

When was the tread depth measurement device calibrated or tested.

Do you have a photo of your worn tire you can upload?

What was the measurement of the tread depth that was written on the paperwork you signed?
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PostPosted: 18:16 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
J7mbo wrote:
Yeah, it was definitely a pointed one. I watched him use it. Guy was a biker himself so knew what he was doing.


You sure about that? This is the type the Police use and it isn't pointed.

Did the officer zero the gauge before use?


As an aside, how do you reckon a challenge would hold up to scrutiny if say yourself or someone like myself with academia and experience in an engineering background actually challenged their results? Technically we would be more "qualified" then the officers testing, so how would that hold up if we were positive they had measured incorrectly?
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PostPosted: 19:41 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are we not missing the point wondering about technicalities and all that???

Was the tyre illegal? My guess is that it was and that the points and fine were deserved.
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