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PostPosted: 17:18 - 18 Oct 2013    Post subject: So this is rape? Reply with quote

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'Mercan College (university) students, guy eats her out in public. Photos and videos recorded

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=541311389288815&set=a.374610869292202.93023.374354865984469&type=1&ref=nf

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2 days later she says rape. Thinking
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 18 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The photo in the second shot doesn't make her look so compliant.
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 18 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 08:29 - 19 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just thank God that she survived. Praying

I'm not even interested in the story, I'll go ahead and assume it was another "too drunk to consent therefore rape", like only vaginas can be non-responsible for their actions.
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 19 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just saw a vid of it which has now been removed. Classic case of girl being too drunk to look after herself. She 100% willingly did it. her fault!
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 19 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

That Zimmerman bitch should be charged for advising her to spout more lies, at one time I would of helped any woman in trouble or broken down on the motorway or road, now I would not even entertain the thought, one crazy lying cow and your life is ruined.
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 20 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's most scary when you have to explain this part of our 'culture' to an Asian.

To quote Charlie Brooker, "Fuck me we're doomed".
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 20 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect this is very common. What's easier for a girl/woman in an awkward situation, accept they made a bad decision, or call rape and get buckets of sympathy? Rape also makes a really effective way to get revenge on an ex-boyfriend.
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 20 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a case of "shit, now I look like a whore on the interwebs, mommy and daddy wont be proud this is what they're paying £20k a year for....better call it rape".

That zimmerman thing I think I've seen before but forgot about it, truly terrifying.

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PostPosted: 14:28 - 22 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bonny wrote:
It's most scary when you have to explain this part of our 'culture' to an Asian.

To quote Charlie Brooker, "Fuck me we're doomed".

That's a whole other can of worms.
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 22 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 18:12 - 22 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rape is really odd as a crime.

I just don't see how it's really that super bad a thing. If it's accompanied by assault or really forced in a 'you are my property now' kind of way, fine, throw the book. That's just as bad as being physically assaulted.

But this ridiculous 'might not have signed a contract that says so' stuff? The act of sex itself is hardly a horrific ordeal.

It's just not a reasonable trade. A bit of unwarranted endorphin release for months/years in prison and the media/wider society vilifying you.

Put on rational hat, become a better person.
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 22 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mk1GSF wrote:
Are you trolling?


No, I'm really not. That's the thing. It comes across as such because we've turned 'rape' into this sort of inherent bad, when really there definitely are huge differences in severity.

There's the garden variety that everyone thinks of when they hear 'rape': walking down the street at night, kidnapped and bundled into a van, that sort of thing. Clearly that's horrific and should not be tolerated, it's an absolute removal of freedom. It's an assault and it could fairly easy fall under alternative legislation.

When it gets down to something like a 'date rape' (not one involving the use of spike drugs, just your standard too drunk to consent thing), I just don't see that it's anywhere on the same level, we shouldn't even be using the same word.

There is a huge difference between a crime that is painful both emotionally and physically in the moment, and one that just causes a bit of regret later down the line. They're definitely not worthy of the same punishment.

Much like paedophilia, where actual abuse of children (which is obviously horrific) is basically considered comparable with looking at a 15 year old's holiday photos on the net (which is just, well, a bit odd, but not really a huge societal issue).

If you know all of the facts you can make a proper conclusion, when people see the catch-all word 'rape' it conjures up images of the absolute worst case.

Other crimes don't really have this problem. Assault is assault, yes there's a severity scale between slashing at someone's arms and giving them a slap, but we don't really see the same problem with someone being tapped on the shoulder and then being vilified for it even though that's still a legal 'assault' because people seem to apply their rational brains.

Of course, the topic is generally completely off limits for discussion because it uses bad words. Which is why I assume you think I'm trolling. No-one wants to actually think about the act, so we hide behind euphemisms, and as a result make bad decisions because we've lost detail.
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 22 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you expressed yourself better in that second post rather than the first. I agree, should not be placed in the same category at all.

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PostPosted: 18:51 - 22 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Unwanted sex isn't just a problem for women; it happens to men, too. Unwanted sex can include sexual coercion, when someone is talked, seduced, manipulated or forced into sexual activities. Research suggests that it's a relatively common experience for young women, with various studies finding that between about 7% and 20% have experienced sexual coercion at least once.


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You do have a point there tbh, people are putting "talking and seduction" into the same category as "forced"....

If you are "talking" someone into sex, lets assume a totally non-physical "talking", are you a rapist because the sexee lacks confidence and/or spine to tell you to fuck off?
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 22 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

GhostRider wrote:
I think you expressed yourself better in that second post rather than the first. I agree, should not be placed in the same category at all.

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I guess.

I stand by post #1, though.

I don't mean it with any disrespect to rape victims, 'good' or 'bad' kind.

It could be that my own personal reaction to these things is unusual.

I'd feel much more strongly personally, about being physically forced into a situation I didn't want, sex or no sex, than I would about having an unwanted notch added to my bedpost. Male or female, ugly or not.

The situation obviously changes if things like pregnancy/STD's are involved.

I just see the act of sex as being a kind of irrelevant bit, the crime is the imprisonment, the removal of liberty, the physical damage. The mental damage. I don't understand how having a drunk fumble can significantly affect your mental health unless you were unhinged to begin with.

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are you a rapist because the sexee lacks confidence and/or spine to tell you to fuck off?


That's the problem, really.

The way these things seem to be going, which is that actual consent is required in a very real 'say yes' sense, seem to completely disregard how actual human interactions work...
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 22 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The whole lie to make the situ worse for the man turning a minor matter into a serious rape case seems to be a more and more common thing I'm hearing on the internet and tv soaps etc, now people who do that are really fucked in the head.]


These such cases are where examples are needed to be made not some biker doing 110mph, there's about 60,000 examples of that!
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 22 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clutchy wrote:
The whole lie to make the situ worse for the man turning a minor matter into a serious rape case


This is just it. It's one of the main complaints I have about the trend towards euphemistic 'PC' language. I see it as really stifling debate and causing incredible problems.

Sex offenses are one of those categories. We've somehow made stuff like public urination, or indecent exposure (which is basically just real life trolling), equivalent to running a child sex ring, when it comes to life after prison.

It makes a mockery of the principle of just punishment.

Of course, it's not an issue, until it's you that's on the receiving end of 'justice'.
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 22 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess the problem as well lies, in that what can make a "rape" is simply whether the girl in question decides it was good or bad the morning after.

Girl and guy are both drunk, have sex --> next morning she decides all is well = not rape

Girl and guy are both drunk, have sex --> next morning she decides "hell naw" = rape

If the actual sex act, all things being equal, took place under the same initial conditions yet one is rape and one is not, then surely it means that the "crime" isn't an objective one but subjective based on one of the parties involved.

That seems pretty weird to me, supposedly an action is either perfectly fine, or a heinous crime simply based on a persons mood.
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 22 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

smegballs wrote:
That seems pretty weird to me, supposedly an action is either perfectly fine, or a heinous crime simply based on a persons mood.


Yeah. I don't know a huge amount about the actual statute/case law, but from the media representation, it seems like there's an expectation that people have this sort of verbal contract before going at it.

It just.. doesn't work like that. Maybe in some sectors of society it does. Maybe for the older generation it was different, or there's a class divide, or whatever. I don't know. But we can't viably have a situation in which both participants must have a strict agreement or leave themselves open to legal action.

For lack of a better word, it's inhuman. It goes against the spirit of human nature.
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 22 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Problem solved!! Laughing

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