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dydey90
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 24 Oct 2013    Post subject: 'Part time' Restrictor? Reply with quote

In relation to this thread, I'm looking at ways of having a restriction done that only works when I want it to.

I don't know if anywhere actually sells these but here's my ideas so far:

-Throttle stop that slides in and out of place
-Washer in exhaust that rotates 90 degrees on a cable
-Second ECU or second map on ECU that can be changed over at the flick of a switch
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 24 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Screw in throttle housing.
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 24 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

EDIT: The restrictor's been called for.
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 24 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it for legal or personal reasons? A throttle stop would be simple and cheap if you're stopping yourself from over doing it, but won't save you from a police dyno etc.

A switchable ECU remap would be the best, but most expensive option.

Oh right, didn't read the other thread first, my bad.
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 24 Oct 2013    Post subject: Re: 'Part time' Restrictor? Reply with quote

Dydey90 wrote:
...-Second ECU or second map on ECU that can be changed over at the flick of a switch

Can/would this switch also control a flip-up style number plate? Wink
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 24 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take one spark plug out and put a screw in there instead, power reduced immediately. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 24 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Restrictors are optional. Mr. Green

An restricted ECU seems a bad idea considering the other thread you link to.

You could attach your number plate with velcro and remove it when you want to be illegal. Wink
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 24 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

nathan k wrote:
A throttle stop would be simple and cheap if you're stopping yourself from over doing it, but won't save you from a police dyno etc.

Why not?

Some FI bikes are restricted by throttle stop. You can pay over £200 for an FI International "kit" that consists of a screw and a piece of paper.

If they put it on a dyno and can't get a voodoomaths estimate of over 25 / 35kW out of it without dicking around with it, job done.

Answer is: depends on bike. What are you thinking of?
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 24 Oct 2013    Post subject: Re: 'Part time' Restrictor? Reply with quote

Hmmm.
How about something that restricts the bike when the front wheel is not moving? Over a certain throttle position when the front wheel isn't moving, it grounds the coils, say.
It would obviously be sold as a perfectly legitimate selectable anti-wheelie device or something Smile.
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 24 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

I would suspect that if a restrictor could easily turned on / off, if you got a particularly stroppy copper who pursued it to court it would not be accepted as restricting the power (no more than a promise that you didn't open the throttle enough to go over 33hp).

All the best

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PostPosted: 21:58 - 24 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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I would suspect that if a restrictor could easily turned on / off, if you got a particularly stroppy copper who pursued it to court it would not be accepted as restricting the power (no more than a promise that you didn't open the throttle enough to go over 33hp).

All the best

Keith


This, also suspect said stroppy copper would be able to fit you up for several other big boy offences too.

Perverting the course of justice much?
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 24 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perverting the course of justice? Surely not. I just don't want to cause any damage to by bike by attempting to use it in ways that the manufacturer didn't intend Mr. Green

I certainly wouldn't be breaking any speed limits!

@Roger, I'm probably going to end up with an SV650?
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PostPosted: 00:02 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dydey90 wrote:
Perverting the course of justice? Surely not. I just don't want to cause any damage to by bike by attempting to use it in ways that the manufacturer didn't intend Mr. Green



Sorry what????



Good thing sv650s have a 33bhp which are common to buy on ebay and take 2 mins to swap out, mine lasted a month or 2 before going back to full power ecu with 33bhp written in white marker pen lol, might throw em off if they don't check the serial number!


Or are you looking to flick a switch we plod pulls you over?

No idea what you're talking about with regards to not using it how suzuki intended???
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PostPosted: 00:06 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would certainly be explaining that your friend often rides it and has a full licence - so they wanted to use full power. Maybe they even take you pillion where the full power is more useful.
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PostPosted: 08:05 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clutchy wrote:
are you looking to flick a switch we plod pulls you over?

No idea what you're talking about with regards to not using it how suzuki intended???



This. I want to ride it at full power, without having it taken off me!

My housemate used to have an SV and said it ran like a bag of knackers until the restriction came off, don't know if he just had a dodgy job done or whatever?

Also, it's the 47bhp restriction I'm looking at Smile
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PostPosted: 08:14 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then I can't help you as I don't know, will be interested to hear what others say.


If you were to flick a switch that swapped between ecu's it would have to re-boot the bike (turn it off and back on) so you couldn't really do it on the move. Not sure how relevant that is.
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PostPosted: 08:15 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Front wheel motion would be a good one. If you got a programmable rev limiter (as used on racing bikes/go karts etc, pretty common to buy) and had that switched in by a relay that was linked to front wheel motion.

Set the limiter so it makes under your bhp limit, then have it so that once the front wheel is moving the relay cuts out and you have full power available... That would be pretty swish and it is within the realms of possibility. Need to get someone good with electronics to draw up and build the relay switching circuit, but probs could be done.

I'd use the sensor and magnet etc out of a pushbike speedo, then have that linking to some kind of signal shaping bits and bobs, before a power transistor to turn on the relay, cutting out the limiter.

Would actually be a pretty cool electronics project!!
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PostPosted: 08:25 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thinking about it when I worked at a kart circuit these boxes about 10 inches long and 5 wide would plug into the engines and you'd have a remote on if you want to set 3/4 power 1/2 and so on, keep the remotw with you and if you get pulled over switch to the lowest setting to be safe and dyno it to be sure it works Wink will get some pictures today!
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PostPosted: 08:26 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dydey90 wrote:
My housemate used to have an SV and said it ran like a bag of knackers until the restriction came off, don't know if he just had a dodgy job done or whatever?


Nope, they are all like that.
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

smegballs wrote:
Front wheel motion would be a good one. If you got a programmable rev limiter (as used on racing bikes/go karts etc, pretty common to buy) and had that switched in by a relay that was linked to front wheel motion.

Set the limiter so it makes under your bhp limit, then have it so that once the front wheel is moving the relay cuts out and you have full power available... That would be pretty swish and it is within the realms of possibility. Need to get someone good with electronics to draw up and build the relay switching circuit, but probs could be done.

I'd use the sensor and magnet etc out of a pushbike speedo, then have that linking to some kind of signal shaping bits and bobs, before a power transistor to turn on the relay, cutting out the limiter.

Would actually be a pretty cool electronics project!!


This does sound like an amazing idea. Not massively complex either so I could do it in the shed!

Clutchy wrote:
Thinking about it when I worked at a kart circuit these boxes about 10 inches long and 5 wide would plug into the engines and you'd have a remote on if you want to set 3/4 power 1/2 and so on, keep the remotw with you and if you get pulled over switch to the lowest setting to be safe and dyno it to be sure it works Wink will get some pictures today!


Simple, effective and easy to install. If only they were a bit smaller... I could wrap it in a toolbox and stick it under the seat I think?
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PostPosted: 11:08 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's an electronic speedo, you should be able to use the feed from that.
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dydey90 wrote:
This does sound like an amazing idea. Not massively complex either so I could do it in the shed!


I could pretty much draw up the circuit from general electronics know-how I have, only thing I'm unsure of is how to get the make the pulses reliable hole the relay on once in motion.

Don't know if you know much about electronics, but I reckon the way forward would be to rectify the pulses to DC and use them to charge up a capacitor to maintain the voltage between pulses, then use an op-amp to get the signal large enough to drive the tranistor on the relay coil. I wanna make one now, just to do Laughing

EDIT: Well thought G I didn't think of that. That would defo be quick and easy!
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speedo would definitely be the best way to go. Even if it's analogue I could hook up a reed switch or some sort of magnetic needle tip?

Are all bikes measured on the front wheel? Wouldn't surprise me if a few were at the back for whatever reason.
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dydey90 wrote:
Are all bikes measured on the front wheel? Wouldn't surprise me if a few were at the back for whatever reason.


Nope, mines done from the front sprocket area.
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