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PostPosted: 19:42 - 06 Aug 2014    Post subject: Can you filter on the wrong side of traffic islands? Reply with quote

If traffic is completely stationary and there are no pedestrians, are you allowed to go around the right hand side of the island?

I see people doing this all the time. What do plod say?
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 06 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 19:47 - 06 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

malteser273 wrote:
no


This. Normally accompanied with a blue circular sign with an arrow.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Singapore_Road_Signs_-_Regulatory_Sign_-_Keep_Left.svg

You must keep left.
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 06 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can do whatever you like just don't get caught.
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 06 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

haha, nice pinkyfloyd Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 06 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes you can, there is a road I have to go down that motorcycles and bicycles regularly do this on. However, I don't do this as I got a £50 fine once for doing it, I wasn't a serial offender but got caught.

I got a £50 fine and two arsehole coppers who had just done their course on checking over vehicles, going through my bike with a fine tooth comb.

Total waste of time, but if it saves 30 seconds it's worth it right?
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PostPosted: 20:08 - 06 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

You physically can, but you're not allowed to

technically if a car breaks down blocking the one for your direction of traffic you're not allowed to go the wrong side as it's technically a very short stretch of one way
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 06 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

As said, legally no. You MUST keep left.


But, if there is clearly nothing coming, no other vehicles/pedestrians/kittens etc then it won't do any harm.

Just accept that you are doing something wrong and know and accept consequences of getting caught before you do it. Use your judgement.



If it's moving but slow traffic it'll only hold you up for maybe 10-20 seconds waiting to pass to the left of the island. Only would consider it if the traffic is stationary really.
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 06 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do it every morning as there is one outside a petrol station down the road from me and it sometimes has diesel on the correct side where lorries swing out and round. 7am though, no 5-0 around to catch me.

Wouldn't do it in front of them though.
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 06 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
malteser273 wrote:
no


This. Normally accompanied with a blue circular sign with an arrow.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Singapore_Road_Signs_-_Regulatory_Sign_-_Keep_Left.svg

You must keep left.


Would I be correct in assuming you cant do it with the spare lane on a motorway, like just straddling the white line for a bit?
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 06 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=283674&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

Might be a useful read.....
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 06 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trouble is they a refuges for pedestrians - if a ped walks out between the cars on your original side of the road to the refuge they will then instinctively look left not right before carrying on - kill them and you'll probably do time.
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 06 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go up the inside, mount the pavement...
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 06 Aug 2014    Post subject: Re: Can you filter on the wrong side of traffic islands? Reply with quote

guile wrote:
I see people doing this all the time.


"Location: London"

Law of the urban jungle, innit.

I have absolutely no doubt that I'd be done for such hijinks in the fringes of the Empire. It's an absolute offence, no wriggle room.
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 06 Aug 2014    Post subject: Re: Can you filter on the wrong side of traffic islands? Reply with quote

guile wrote:
If traffic is completely stationary and there are no pedestrians, are you allowed to go around the right hand side of the island?

I see people doing this all the time. What do plod say?


So you insult my driving claiming I will die, have a head on accident where you have to pay for the damage to your bike and now this, do you actually have a license?
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PostPosted: 08:10 - 07 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never done it.
Even when vehicles in front have.
Don't fancy getting a £100 fine and 3 points when I can wait until the traffic moves.
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PostPosted: 08:22 - 07 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boris the spider wrote:
Never done it.
Even when vehicles in front have.
Don't fancy getting a £100 fine and 3 points when I can wait until the traffic moves.
It's not endorsable, fine only. In theory they could have a go for dangerous driving etc. but I think that would require an incident BECAUSE of your riding.

My first question to the copper, "Is it endorsable", no he replied. He then said, he was trying to figure out what ticket he could give to the many cyclists going past and not even slowing down (much faster than I was). Then I came past and it was an easy tug. Wrote me a ticket, hassled me a bit, then sent me on my way. This was just before the fines went up.
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PostPosted: 08:48 - 07 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

wotsthestory wrote:
It's not endorsable, fine only.


Can't remember the code but I believe it is endorsable, something to do with failure to adhere to a blue road sign.

wotsthestory wrote:
In theory they could have a go for dangerous driving etc. but I think that would require an incident BECAUSE of your riding.


In London they generally add driving without due care as its hard to disprove and all the Police need to say is that pedestrians wouldn't expect you to go the wrong way around an island.
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PostPosted: 08:52 - 07 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
Can't remember the code but I believe it is endorsable, something to do with failure to adhere to a blue road sign.
Then, not for the first time, a copper doesn't know his stuff.

EDIT: Traffic direction and signs, nearest is a TS50

These codes must stay on a driving licence for 4 years from the date of the offence.
Code Offence Penalty points
TS10 Failing to comply with traffic light signals 3
TS20 Failing to comply with double white lines 3
TS30 Failing to comply with ‘stop’ sign 3
TS40 Failing to comply with direction of a constable/warden 3
TS50 Failing to comply with traffic sign (excluding ‘stop’ signs, traffic lights or double white lines) 3
TS60 Failing to comply with a school crossing patrol sign 3
TS70 Undefined failure to comply with a traffic direction sign 3
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 07 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

wotsthestory wrote:
sickpup wrote:
Can't remember the code but I believe it is endorsable, something to do with failure to adhere to a blue road sign.
Then, not for the first time, a copper doesn't know his stuff.



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PostPosted: 09:40 - 07 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only advice I can give is definitely do not go past one at 50 when there is an unmarked traffic copper on the correct side of it. Embarassed
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